XXXInsider Writes:
The porn industry is built on the concept of consenting adults. Nobody is forced to be in this industry, not producers, not agents, not directors,distributors or performers. Everyone makes choices. But the choices performers make are a bit different than those of directors, producers, and everyone one else. The performers choices have a direct impact on their health and safety, short and long term. Only performers put their health at risk, which is why the concept of consenting adults is so important.
But in order to make an informed consent, you have to have all the facts. When someone conceals very pertinent information, the other party cannot give informed consent. When multiple parties fail to give pertinent information to one other party the entire concept of consenting adults has been thrown out the window. That is what has been done here. The agent, Stagliano himself, and every person on that set, except the female performer knew Stagliano is HIV+, yet that was concealed from the female talent. NOBODY CAN ARGUE that she gave informed consent, and Karen Stagliano has already admitted that John Stagliano did not notify her.
This is a textbook case of why the industry cannot be trusted to police itself. HIV positive person working without notifying the scene partner, obviously no tests were exchanged, and an agent knowingly booking a newbie talent, without notifying her that her scene partner has HIV.
Then Karen Stagliano has the gall to say that there was no risky behavior, therefore no need to notify her of John’s HIV status. Who the fuck are they to make that decision for this other performer? If there was nothing wrong with what they were doing then why not notify her? It is not Karen or Johns right to make that decision that they feel they have no obligation to inform this performer. The performer had the right to know, and for the Staglianos to intentionally keep that information from her, so she could make an informed decision, is just flat our wrong, possibly criminal, but surely grounds for civil action.
How dare you Staglianos think that it is your place to decide what other talent should be told? I wonder what the APHSS medical board has to say about this. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, well mostly because they dont actually exist, but thats another story.
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APHSS Medical Board Doesn’t Exist and Informed Consent http://t.co/I3nzbzowna
Mike you are right this is only the beginning.
http://thesword.com/cody-cummings-vs-next-door-studios-i-hired-an-attorney-to-reclaim-my-name.html
Listen starting around 9:20, the model had a bad test and they were about to shoot with her. This is a gay owned studio that has a site that shoots crossovers having sex with women. You want to know who they get models from? Type 9, La Direct, Shy Love’s agency etc….
Darcy Tyler, and Brittany Amber shoot extensively with them.
The Santhiago Revelations Are Telling Porn Fans There’s No Santa Claus
how can you justify anyone putting the business in a death grip spiral
On his Internet show Friday, Rob Black said judging by the doubting Thomas forum comments and tweets you’d think that porn fans were told there’s no Santa Claus.
Black was talking about the pictures from Stretch Class 1 which show conclusively that John Stagliano, aka Punkman, taking advantage of a performer who speaks no English.
Stagliano, who’s HIV positive has his penis squarely nestled in Brazilian performer Monica Santhiago’s ass. If that’s being caught with your pants down, I don’t know what is. But no one can seem to grasp this situation.
“Stagliano portrays being a good person, but he’s a douchebag and is now behind society’s curtain, he puts your life at risk,” said Black.
“That’s the worst person. He had this reputation of being this great awesome person but when people see this video-
[“I’m not going to take Rob’s Black’s word,” I believe was one comment.]
“I never met so many people that can’t believe Santa Claus doesn’t exist.
“If Stagliano was a politician, he would have fled to whatever piece of shit he came from. Our industry is why we’re getting what we’re getting. John Stagliano basically from Stretch Class 1 to the last volume- we’re talking maybe 60 girls- it’s possible he didn’t tell any of them that he’s HIV. How can anyone in this business justify what he did? The Stagliano supporters are saying I want to see this tape.
“Show them the Santhiago tape, and they’re speechless.” Black noted that Santhiago can’t sue and bring up charges.
“But she is everything that everybody hates in what our business is the example for.”
Black said Stagliano would be the perfect 30 second spot for a Weinstein campaign to ramrod the Measure B issue.
“How can we defend that? You people all look at the small picture attacking Katie Summers. ‘He fingered her but he didn’t fuck her.’
“This is going to be fun splitting hairs. Christian Mann, APHSS, Free Speech Coalition, explain to me – all you supporters and all you reviewers who love ‘Stags’ – how do you love anybody who’s put the business in a death-grip spiral?
“This is just the beginning,” said Black. “When you all defend what John did with Katie, it only shows our business is run by uneducated people. The smart ones moved on and invested in other things.”
“You’re not focusing on the bigger picture – we need safety within the business and one centralized testing service monitored by the city and state, and one centralized talent pool; one centralized healthcare facility.
“In the same way Frank Koretsky has tied us up and put us through the wringer of misery- just like Stagliano, you, my friend, will be the focus next.” Black said there will be a lawsuit coming down on Koretsky.
“The veil of secrecy has been lifted off these Santa Clauses- ‘Oh, you mean there’s no jolly fat guy that delivers presents to 200M children all in one night?’
“’But they gave us money and John Stagliano put his arm around me’ – Look at the big picture. How in a million years can you give this guy a free pass?
“View all the Stretch Class movies and watch them all from number 1 to where it’s now, and let’s take a look at what’s sexual contact or what is now. This guy is breaking every protocol that the Free Speech Coalition is representing. Think about that. You Stag supporters are amazing. Take a look at Stretch Class from 1 to 18, and you’re going to parse the statutes- ‘Well, he didn’t put his penis in her.’ AVN, why don’t you do a follow up?”
[AVN can’t do a follow up because they blew reviewing the first movie that features the Santhiago scene- http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=59048 ]
“Santa Claus lovers- I suppose I searched this young girl out [Summers] and wooed her with my awesome charm. I sought out the footage? Oh, and he stole my girlfriend – I guess that’s what you all thought. The Rob Black witch hunt grasping out straws in a personal vendetta. This real shit now fuck sticks because he’s a real scumbag. Hey, asshole, how many people have you put in a risky situation?
“What Stagliano did in Stretch Class 1 to that girl, regardless of the circumstamnces or whatever fucking excuse this scumbag can come up with, there’s no excuse to take out your penis when you’re HIV positive and put it between the buttocks of a performer. There is no excuse. There is no rationale.
“She don’t speak English, she can’t tell a soul; you’re the most influential – ‘I am Stags. I can do whatever I want.’ John, you like to prey on the weak. That is what you like to do. You prey on new performers or old ones that want to become stars and will sell their soul to Buttman Stagliano.
“Stags, you should be proud of yourself that you can prey on vulnerable new talent and talent that are desperately trying to be something in this business and that working with an HIV performer will put them on the fast track to super stardom.
“Here’s the thing Stagliano,” Black concluded.
“You did this to these women for five years – a new deal of performers are going to torture you. There’s 60 girls. One has come out and filed a lawsuit. A second is coming next week and there’s more coming- you exploited and abused young women in this business.
“It’s over, boy. Pack up and take your ass to Brazil. It’s done. I suggest you pack your shit and take a hike to Brazil where you can perform and do whatever you want with the Brazilian people and when they find out what you did, they will sever your head.”
I wonder if they would put a hit on Rob? He tells it like it is. I can’t stand seeing gay men having sex with female Pornstars.
I have not read about her agent, at the time, commenting about whether she was told about Stagliano’s HIV status. Just because Stagliano did not mention his HIV status to Katie Summers, does not mean that she was not told by her agent. Many people are assuming that Katie is telling the truth. There are people criticizing Karen Stagliano for revealing that John Stagliano did not tell Katie Summers about his having HIV. I believe that Karen is showing honesty in what she said. She is saying something that puts her husband in a negative
light. It is information that she did not have to volunteer. Karen is criticized for bad judgment but I think she is showing integrity.
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Jaime, the facts are the facts. Telling the truth, after the fact, when youre backed into a corner is not integrity. For her to say that the risk was low enough to warrant NOT telling someone that you’re HIV positive shows ZERO integrity.
Do the Stags get to rewrite all industry protocol? Do different rules apply to them? What could be the only reasosn for withholding this information? If there is no risk then whats the problem with disclosing that youre HIV positive? The problem is, she would probably NOT do the scene, and that is why they didnt disclose.
Jaime, you are typical of the ‘industry can do no wrong.’ Jaime, do you remember when Karen LIED about why Brian Pumper was released as a director. After letting his slide twice with forging tests, they finally got outed by Mike., and only then did they come clean. One can only wonder what else these two shitbags have done.
To come clean AFTER getting caught is not integrity, Get a dictionary Jaime.
And we all know that what is seen in the final edited tape is NOT neary everything that happened on that set. The preperations for a scene like this can be just as, if not more intense than the scene itself. Do you think something called STRETCH class didnt have any major behind the scenes preperation
Karen Stagliano shows integritiy. Thats still making me laugh.
Jaime, try this for size. You get a blowjob from the girl you just met. This is a very low risk act for transmitting HIV from the female to the male. So she finishes you off, and then says, “Oh, by the way, I have HIV, but I made the decision that since our activity was so low risk that I didnt need to tell you.” I wonder what your reaction would be,
Katie Summers shoots a scene with Fagliano. After he puts her feet in his mouth, and does who knows else what that is not on the edited tape that is released, and then she finds out, “Oh, by the way, that guy you worked with is HIV positive.”
jaime, did John show integrity when he didnt disclose his HIV status? Can you think of any reason, other than her backing out of the scene, to withhold this information? What was the reason to intentionally withhold the information, and this goes for the agent, Stagliano, and the entire crew at EA. Cant wait to see the depositions of the camera man, the PA, and everyone else who works for EA. Lets see if there is a PATTERN of not making disclosure. TIme will tell.
Karen has integrity, that has to be the best line since Clinton said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
The Arrogance of The Staglianos Runs at An All Time High
breach of contract
If I were a performer, on general principle alone, I wouldn’t work for John Stagliano. This Kattie Summers case is revealing Stagliano for what he truly is – an officious, arrogant prick. First Karen Stagliano makes comments to the press that Summers’ lawsuit has no merit.
Karen Stagliano, if you’ll recall, had this to say to AVN: “I believe that there is not a substantial case. John did not do anything that endangered anyone whatsoever, especially not this girl [Katie Summers]. I’ve seen the scene. There was no sexual contact that would do anything to warrant him having to have informed her of his condition.”
I take that to mean the same rules applied when Stagliano thrust his manhood into Monica Santhiago’s ass. And I notice no one in the business is addressing that circumstance.
All of this is bad enough, but now we have the real Stagliano emerging on TMZ. I guess because Steve Hirsch is buddy-buddies with Harvey over there, Stagliano gets a pass to say what he wants no matter how outrageous. TMZ has a story where Stagliano describes his scene with Summers as “equivalent to shaking hands.” To make matters even more absurd, the photo put in evidence could have been taken in church.
Come to think of it, lawsuits are filed over contractural handshakes – when one party knowingly enters into an agreement under false pretenses and has full intention of deceiving the other party.
Stagliano did both. He took Summers into his confidence and betrayed her. Perhaps, and I’m just saying perhaps, the lawsuit Summers filed should have been looking at it from that angle. What this is, is a breach of contract, plain and simple.
Gene Ross has an article about the Marc Wallice Time Line. According to Ross, he was not able to figure out when Wallace had sex with Sharon Mitchell in his last sex scene with her. According to Ross, he used imdb as a reference. I was able to figure out the title by using iafd. The movie is Elegant’s Angels 2 (DOP: 09/18/1997) .
Karen Stagliano: There’s a Problem with the Math
Now that I’m cutting through the John Stagliano bushwah by constructing my own time line, I have one question.
Sharon Mitchell reported on January 7, 1998 that Stagliano’s wife, then performer Tricia Devereaux, was HIV positive. Marc Wallice tested positive for HIV April 30th, 1998. My simple question is this- who gave it to whom?
Let’s argue that Wallice gave it to Devereaux, and that’s her contention as well, but the very latest he could have given it to her makes it sometime in December, 1997. If AIM protocols were so locked in place, wouldn’t have Wallice been detected a lot sooner than almost four months later?
But you will argue that Wallice faked his tests. Okay, so in four months, minimum, how many scenes do you think Wallice shot which means you’re telling me he fooled the system THAT long?
This industry is safe? Really? Does Karen Stagliano still want to hold to the story that Wallice infected her?
Now let’s add this little food for thought. Although Toby Dammit doesn’t give me an exact date of the Wallice-Mitchell scene let’s just argue that it was before December, 1997 which means that Wallice, if he was faking his test results, was doing it for month and monthss. Still want to argue how safe the business protocols are?
Luke Is Back has published a post from Katie Summers. Hopefully, her lawyers will tell her that silence is the best policy, just like we presume the Stagliano’s laywers have told them to stop talking. Regardless of whether she’s right or wrong, going public can only hurt her.
Fagliano…that’s a good one!
In reference to jilted saying that Karen Stagliano lied about Brian Pumper: Karen was making sure that Evil Angel had all it’s ducks in a row before she would make a public statement about what Pumper was doing. Saying that Pumper left because of “creative differences” was a way of saying something ambiguous that would not interfere with the investigation by Evil Angel. On 3 occasions, Pumper had sex with actresses without waiting for the STD test results to come back. On adultdvdtalk.com, Karen wrote about Mike South: “It was BECAUSE of your post that we had to cut short an internal investigation of what Brian had or hadn’t done and rush an incomplete press release before we were actually ready to give out details of what had happened. It was already apparent to us that Brian was most likely going to deny any wrongdoing, so we had to make sure that we triple-checked everything that we knew before we released that information to anyone. Yes, it was accidentally leaked ahead of time. That happened BECAUSE John told a couple people outside of the company, knowing that he never intended for himself or the company to cover this up.”
And you actually believe that Jaime. Yep, the industry can do no wrong. “Cut short their investigation” LOL.
“Knowing that he never intended for himself or the company to cover this up,” you mean like his HIV status?
Jaime, should the Stalianos be making the decision on behalf of performers booked to work with John on whether they should know of his HIV status, or should the performer be told before hand so they(the performer) can make an informed decision?
“Most likely to deny any wrong doing” How prophetic. Again, backed into a corner, then come up with something to cover their asses. And you beleive this. The industry can do no wrong, right Jaime. Just make something up after the fact and all is forgiven.
Jamie, what do you think could be any good reason not to MAKE SURE that the performers know of his HIV status? After all, for those around the industry it is common knowledge, but not to a newbie like Katie. They knew she was a newbie, why would you not “TRIPLE CHECK” and make sure she knew? Could it be that this very hot newbie might say NO, and run in the opposite direction as fast as she could, POSSIBLY, what other motive could they have for not making TRIPLE sure she knew, after all, Karen has such integrity, right Jaime?
Final: Rob Black to Christian Mann; “There’s No Way You Can Stuff All That Stagliano Shit Back in the Horse”
your tombstone will say you ran companies shitty
Fol
Enough is enough was the theme of Rob Black’s, first 90 minutes Monday afternoon.
Describing the Harrison Ford movie Witness and the climactic scene where an exasperated Ford yells, “Enough!” Black said it was the duty of Evil Angel general manager Christian Mann to go into John Stagliano’s office and demand a cease of the activities that are miring Evil Angel in the worst scandal ever to hit the porn industry.
Black also talked about the secret apartment that Stagliano was known to have kept where he brought women for secret kinky sex sessions.
In starting off the show, Black said he’d love to ask Kelly Divine some questions about her participation in a Buttman’s Stretch Class.
“She was in a recent Stretch Class where Mr. soon to be in prison and exiled to Brazil, jammed her bare foot in his mouth. If you watch the video, Stagliano takes her foot, the criminal that he is, he grabs her foot and jams it in his mouth like a 13-inch cock. Like he’s Little Oral Annie taking John Holmes to the balls.
“I don’t have to tell you how dangerous it is with the toenails,” said Black.
“There’s so many aspects- a dentist would never put his hands in your mouth without wearing gloves. Stagliano takes this poor girl’s foot and paddles her unto he breaks capillaries on her ass.
“And he sticks his face in there; he’s licking that asshole. These girls go to these shoots under the pretext it’s a solo anal.
“It’s a shame. Kelly Divine should be seen as a sexy woman, not as a scapegoat.”
Black said he would like to ask Divine if she told APHSS that she worked with an HIV performer.
“But all of these questions will eventually be answered by lawyers, law firms, and depositions,” he confirmed.
“They will all be answered in the upcoming months. Unless John Stagliano disappears and goes into hiding. But he doesn’t have the balls to come out, so he’s letting others expose the truth about him and the basically criminal acts they do.
“There’s a conspiracy from agents on down that there’s some twisted sex game he’s been playing his entire life,” Black continued.
“There’s no other word for it- these girls were lied to abused and betrayed. Every single day, performers put their lives on the line. This is our business and what we choose and girls choose to be be performers. All of those things are true when they talk about the business.
“But when you get into this business, you are preached to and told that the talent system and way of life is right, not flawed, that it’s perfect and you will not die. That’s what we’re told and we assume that when we go into the business.
“We get that information and make important judgments based on those facts. Now all of a sudden someone who’s covering up HIV and has an extensive network covering it up, we’re faced with a performer, an owner who’s all of those things playing in this game where he has a dirty, dark secret and that it’s alright to cover up his disease because he gives millions to everyone.
“Stagliano is the joker card in a game where you go- oh shit you didn’t take the jokers out and you fucked up the deck.
“We have a system we set up and we preach that to whoever will listen, the media, all of the above. But we have this awesome little secret the, 75,000 pound gorilla no one talks about because he oils the wheels of the adult business establishment.
“We got lawsuits coming in to a system that John Stagliano created.
“It’s unfathomable that AVN would review Stretch Class and never talk about his sticking his penis out and into Monica Aanthiago’s butt,” Black observed.
“They reviewed a movie and nobody talked about. Or they reviewed it and hid the fact what John did.
“So we have a system that’s set up by John Stagliano and the higher ups,” Black continued.
“Christian Mann is one of the first people who trotted Mr. Marcus out there in a cover up of lies. Christian Mann, the secret keeper of Evil Angel.
“You would think somebody with a limited amount of time left might step up to the plate and do something good instead of perpetuating a lie,” Black considered.
“Christian Mann, that’s what you want to leave your legacy of? Christian Mann is one of the main players in this. Christian Mann was aware of this and never stopped it. Christian Mann, this is your time to step up and do something good with your life. You’ve got remission. Instead of figuring out the next Lexington Steele release, do something good.
“You’ve always been the fourth wheel flunky in that group of yours [Steve Hirsch, Paul Fishbein and Frank Koretsky].
“You brought that money into Evil Angel so John Stagliano could replenish the coffers from that Las Vegas review and the court case he got lucky on. You were the architect of the rebuild. Do some good for the business and take a stand – tell him, John, what you did was wrong.
“Take your time left on this planet and take a stand.”
At the same time, Black also compared Mann to Fredo from The Godfather.
“Every company you owned you destroyed and threw in the toilet. All of your peers went on to huge things, and you’re the flunky out of that group. You worked for Italians. Every aspect, you worked for somebody and ruined their company. You’re the company killer. If he doesn’t help you destroy your company one way, he’ll help you destroy it in another. Christian Mann, the company destroyer.
“Take that precious time and do some good with your life and help change this business. Say, ‘I’m going to march into John Stagliano’s office and say enough is enough.’
“You are the key – tell him enough is enough of the lies, the deceits, enough at putting performers at risk. Christian Mann, I can’t fathom this- enough of living like cucarachas- we are legitimate actors and legitimate claims must be met.
“I could not imagine living my last year on earth working for Jerry Estrada,” Black mused.
“I can’t imagine battling life and death to deal with Karen Stagliano and John Stagliano. Seriously, that has been your legacy. You have a chance to make a difference to look at Hirsch, Fishbein and Koretsky and step out of the shadows of being a nobody and being something great- not trying to make some anal butt plug deal.
“Seriously. You’re knocking on heaven’s door and you spent the last six months on a t-shirt deal with Justin Rich?”
“Karen Stagliano is a lying, lying, lying human being,” Black continued.
“Deep down inside I think she wants John to be jammed up on this. She told us of his secret apartment where he goes to get away and has girls come over. Does he fuck them? Well he does fucked-up shit. She hated it.
“Christian Mann, you sit there and operate with impunity- all you directors- Sean Michaels- your fucking boss, this is fucked up. You’re cool with that? It’s amazing.
“This is the turning point in the business,” Black predicted.
“Christian Mann, it’s time for you to step up. This is something you’ll have to live with forever. This is the biggest scandal ever to rock the adult business, ever. Traci Lords was a dumb cunt piece of garbage – that was a porn chick famous for being 15 years old. At the end of the day, she’s a human piece of dog shit.
“But I would say this is the biggest scandal to rock this business. You’re talking about an owner who sits at the top as one of the elite kings. And you have an elaborate conspiracy to cover up some repugnant shit.
“Christian Mann, you are the guy during the syphilis outbreak that paraded Mr. Marcus around like a victim. That was your first legacy; the second is the Stagliano cover-up and the evidence is mounting.
“You fucking know in your fucking heart and whatever else that hasn’t been radiated by chemo – you know what he did is wrong. You know everything. You sit there and do nothing. There is no way you can stuff all the shit back in this horse. It’s done.
“This is not an isolated incident that I’m blowing out of proportion, either. All of Stagliano’s supporters are now going, ‘oh fuck’ with more and more evidence coming to life. It’s a strategic, and knowingly malicious- every aspect of wrong doing is represented by the facts.”
Black suspected that Stagliano didn’t go further with Katie Summers in their scene because he got a vibe from her that, to do so, she’d scream bloody murder.
“But he knew it would be alright with a Brazilian woman who would steal French fries to feed her five kids.
“Stagliano’s defenders are so blinded by the Santa Claus factor,” continued Black, “that one bad act is not as bad as the other bad act.
“The rationale of Stagliano supporters is amazing, but the supporters are diminishing because it’s hard to defend Santa Claus when he doesn’t come through the chimney with presents, but rapes the children under the guise of giving them presents.
“And he leaves and nobody says anything. Being butt fucked once a year doesn’t warrant squawking to ruin presents for everybody. But John Stagliano brings everyone presents, but it’s alright in the form of a butt rape.
“Christian Mann, you have the power to stop Santa Claus, dirty old Saint Dick.
Comparing the imminent Stagliano lawsuits to mob indictments, Black said, “I’m telling all the pimps- those indictments are coming down.”
“Christian Mann, tell John Stagliano enough is enough. Do the right thing on behalf of your children, yourself and the talent in this business.
“They look to you as somebody that is watching out for them. Why don’t you do what people have done for your brother? Your brother was in that same situation. Put yourself, your family members, your brother in that position. If you can’t do it for your children and yourself and the talent, will you do it at least for your brother, somebody in the past who has needed help and isn’t able to help himself?
“Imagine someone like John Stagliano taking advantage of your brother. It needs to be done. John Stagliano needs to be gone. You can be a voice in this business. Your tombstone will say you ran companies shitty and was in charge of the company most marred in scandal and it will end all bad. That is your legacy.”
Integrity check. There are comments on both Lukeisback, and Adultdvdtalk that are under the name Tricia Devereaux. I have no way of knowing if this is actually her, but I believe it is. These are quotes from those commenters.
LIB June25, 8:04pm “I have never commented on whether or not John believed she knew his status. That will be something for a judge to hear at a later date.”
Adultdvdtalk June 19, 1:42am “And John beleived Katie knew too.”
Jaimie, I see you also comment alot on Adultdvdtalk. Perhaps you can ask Tricia to explain this, seeing as how she has so much integrity. Or perhaps Tricia just needs time to finish her investigation.
Yes, something for a judge to hear at a later date. Anything you say can and will be used against you.
Jaime, please get back to us when Tricia clears this up, her integrity is on the line.(LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)
Going to be interesting to see how Jaime tries to spin this one to make Tricia look innocent.
If your a performer, why would you work for EA and Man win?
That should be the question.
Sounds like the agents in that industry got their noses up both of their asses deep!