Why is working with crossovers such a big deal?

The concepts are gay crossovers working in the straight porn industry is a very heated subject matter. But I don’t understand why. We are adults, can’t we talk about how we feel like adults? It’s not like people are hating on someone for being gay.

We need to put our feelings aside and talk about FACTS.

Some people will no doubt be butthurt over what I’m about to say but to those people I’m sorry. I have just as much right to my beliefs as you have to yours. The only difference is, my views are based on cold hard facts and scientific data.

I heard someone say this recently and it’s true.

Just because I don’t want to have sex with a gay guy doesn’t make me homophobic. What kind of ridiculous thought process is that?

The reason I don’t support crossovers, and the reason people like August Ames fought for the very same thing, is because the gay and the straight industry are not the same.

  • Performers in the straight industry are required to test ever 2 weeks
  • Performers in the gay industry do not
  • Gay males are at a much higher risk for getting HIV (1 in 6)
  • 68% of all HIV cases are among gay and bisexual males

Some people might be quick to say, who cares if they test when they come over to our industry why is that not good enough?

This is where the heated part of the debate comes into play. Certain people are passing around false information or they just don’t seem to understand math.

If person A sleeps with person B and neither have HIV, there is a 0% chance to get HIV. That is what impossible means because you can’t give an STD you don’t have to someone. That’s something we can all agree on, right?

Now if person A has sex with person B and person B has HIV there is a chance that person B can give person A HIV. I think that’s also something we can all agree with, right? It’s not a 100% chance, but there is still a chance you could get HIV if you have sex with someone who is HIV positive.

Now if person A sleeps with person B and person B has HIV but he (or she) is on medication which suppresses their count enough to trick the PASS system into passing them, there is a small, chance to get HIV. Sure the chance is small, but the chance is still there.

According to the World Health Organization, if a person is HIV positive and on antiretroviral therapy, this reduces the risk of transmission by up to 96%. No not 100% — 96%! I don’t know about you but I’m not willing to play those odds. 4% is still 4% too much for me.

Now keep in mind that same person who is on their antiretroviral therapy will clear the PASS test.

So you tell me, are you willing to play those odds?

Now let’s talk about the CDC’s official statement — according to the CDC (Center for Disease Control and Prevention) — HIV medicine is called antiretroviral therapy, or ART. If taken as directed, HIV medicine reduces the amount of HIV in the body (viral load) to a very low level, which keeps the immune system working and prevents illness. This is called viral suppression—defined as having less than 200 copies of HIV per milliliter of blood. HIV medicine can even make the viral load so low that a test can’t detect it. This is called an undetectable viral load.  If you are virally suppressed or have an undetectable viral load, your HIV is under control.

This is what a lot of people like to quote. “People who take ART daily as prescribed and achieve and maintain an undetectable viral load have effectively no risk of sexually transmitting the virus to an HIV-negative partner.”

Only that statement is misleading. Almost no chance doesn’t actually mean NO chance. Remember before when we talked about how if person A and person B had sex, there was still a small chance? A CHANCE OF ANY KIND TO GIVE ME HIV IS TO MUCH OF A CHANCE FOR ME.

If you are having unprotected sex with someone who is HIV positive, there is always a chance they could give it to you.

If you are okay with those odds, doesn’t mean you get the right to make that decision for everyone in the industry. Every performer should have the right to chose if they are willing to take on that added risk for themselves.

  • “Undetectable” does not mean “cured.” There is no cure for HIV. An undetectable viral load means that so few copies of the virus are present in the blood that today’s monitoring tests are unable to detect them. Even with an undetectable viral load, however, an HIV-positive person still has the virus.
  • It’s not impossible to transmit HIV. Your viral load can fluctuate between tests. This can happen for no known reason, or when you have a sexually transmitted infection like chlamydia or gonorrhea, or when ART doses are missed. During these viral load “blips,” the chance of transmitting the virus may be higher. A variety of things can cause your viral load to go up between the time you took the STD test and showed cleared in PASS and the time you do your scene. Even something as a small cut on your finger could divert your body’s immune system to fight off infection for the cut. This small fluctuation could, in turn, increase the chance you could transmit HIV to your scene parter, despite the fact that you were cleared in PASS.

What about PrEP?

If person A sleeps with person B and person B has HIV, but person A is on PrEP, there is a reduced risk of transmission by as much as 92% however 92% is not 100%. That means there is still a chance of getting HIV if you have sex with someone who is HIV positive – as much as an 8% chance. That’s a big chance you are taking with your life and that doesn’t even take into account all the crazy side effects that go along with taking PrEP.


Are you willing to roll the dice and hope you aren’t one of the unlucky 8 out of 100?  The Free Speech Coalition and their performer branch APAC will have you believe that you don’t have any right to know if the person you are doing a scene with is HIV+.  Apparently, they are just fine rolling the dice with your health and well being.


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  1. What if the HIV positive person just starts drinking and partying too much and forgets his or her regiment or just gets tired of the serious side effects of the antiviral HIV virus suppressant and stops taking the meds ?

    If he or she is test clear for a 30 day test period I bet there will be a two time test positive for the same person within a year. Guess what ?
    we wont even know the last two positive performers. Assuming this scenario described is possible, then one can test positive twice and we all wont even know that either.

    Hope a commentor who is an expert will chime in and educate some of us who actually give two shits

  2. I have to disagree with your math (although I support people in the industry knowing if their partner is infected and also choosing their partner without having to give any explanation why of course).

    With that said, the fact is, you need to analyze what “this reduces the risk of transmission by up to 96%” means. What is the risk of getting HIV with an untreated partner? Let’s take for example this chart: http://www.poz.com/pdfs/P04-14p53.risk_transmission.pdf

    The highest risk comes from anal sex with ejaculation (aka anal creampie) with a 1.43% of having HIV transmitted by an infected partner. Reducing that chance by 96% means you’ve got a chance of 1.43% * 4% (not just 4% as you imply). So that means there would be a 0.0572% (1 out of 1748 approx.) chance of getting HIV from a treated patient by having unprotected sex, if the partner is treated with the medication you are suggesting.

    Some other things to point out:
    * Probably there are other risks, like for example HIV being undetectable for the first weeks after being transmitted.
    * Acute infection (first months) means an infection rate of 37%, and these people are probably not being treated because they don’t know they have HIV yet.
    * This chart says the same number you mention, 96%, but also says: “Some research hints that the number may approach 100%”

    I think above facts point clearly to the biggest risk being new patients that are not being treated, and not chronic patients that are taking treatment.

  3. Do you want to get shot or stabbed? Either one is highly undesirable. The end result with new untreated patients or chronic patients with treatment are still the same.

    Better to not have either choice and be safe.

  4. For me the point is pretty simple.

    The testing protocols and allowance of HIV positive performers in gay porn is completely different than the straight porn industry. As such, any performer has the right to decide if they are comfortable with that or would prefer to not mix with the talent.

    That is not discrimination of anyone based on sexual orientation or sexual partners. It is choosing to stick with scene partners who are part of a more regulated and strict testing pool.

    Why there is so much vitrol over this is beyond me. It should be a common sense and understandable choice.

  5. @karmafan I know, right? It makes no sense. You can support gay rights and still not want to have sex with a gay guy. I mean Jesus, this is getting so ridiculous!!

  6. Tests to determine presence and amount of retroviral drugs in the blood exist. These tests are mostly used to measure study participants compliance with taking the drug. Treating physicians use them to rule out suspected drug resistance. Can’t see idea getting any serious consideration by the industry powers that be.

  7. Actually, “The Free Speech Coalition ‘and their performer branch APAC’ will have you believe that you don’t have any right to know if the person you are doing a scene with is HIV+” appears to be HALF true; APAC was pushing for an additional test to detect HIV so we could screen out anyone with ANY viral load, wether detectable or not with present testing, and was in FAVOR of full disclosure contrary to what the FSC was trying to ram down our throats. At least that’s what I got from my conversation with Alana Evans before I published that press release. Has anything changed over at APAC sine then that I’m not aware of?

  8. Gay & Bi male performers should NEVER be allowed to do scenes with straight male and / or female performers.

  9. Like I said before, not all crossovers are a health risk because major studios like Corbin Fisher and Black Boy Addictionz use the same testing as other models and I refuse to work with any studio that does not. The real risk are the performers who fuck with civilians, but nobody bats an eye about that, do they? SMH

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