Consent has to do with two private individuals in their bedrooms. Porn is a commercial business. It may be a business of fulfilling fantasies, but it is still a business and business is regulated.

time to dismantle the porn leadership

–Gene Ross

One of Black’s strongest points is that porn would have to deal with strong unions in Las Vegas and that guys like Derek Hay thinking he’d throw his muscle and weight around would wind up in a hole in the desert.

“Steve Hirsch is telling you guys we’re moving to Vegas? Am I misquoting Steve Hirsch? If I’m wrong tell me,” challenged Black.

“Here’s about seven things nobody tells you,” Black continued.

“You’ve been told we’re all moving to Vegas. Here’s the first admission. California and New Hampshire are the only two states that allowed pornography to be filmed, money to be paid, money to be exchanged.

“Basically the whole process of what they do, they don’t put people in prison for it. They don’t call it prostitution. What happens is you could have somebody in Oklahoma set up a camera and they have a whole bunch of street hookers that just sit there and you come in and you pay a $100 and they suck your dick. The guy takes out a camera and goes, ‘Cellphone content. We’re making a movie.’

“Then the state of Oklahoma goes, asshole, that’s prostitution. We’re not that dumb, motherfucker. So they put this rule on the books: silly boys, you can’t do that. So California has this law that basically protects all of us from some fat nasty fuck who calls up Foxxx Modeling and says hey Chris, I need a private tonight. And he goes I don’t have any girls to do privates because they’re all out doing privates. But I have some girls you can film and say it’s a POV blowjob.

“And the fat guy goes, okay, bro, how much?”

“’Her blowjob rate is $200 but, of course you have to pay me $50.’”

“But California gives us all a pass,” Black continued.

“Because we make movies. But why the vice department doesn’t go after all the agents I don’t know.”

“Las Vegas doesn’t have this law on the books, so if a company opens shop there they are instantly in violation of the law. Of the Mann Act. Of a law you can go to prison for, for three years. Pandering, you understand that? Heidi Fleiss went to prison for pandering. It’s a mandatory three years. Something crazy like that.

“There’s people in our business who couldn’t do two months. Las Vegas won’t protect you, but Steve Hirsch is going to open up Vivid Entertainment right there in Las Vegas? Okay, but you’re going to say to me, Rob Black, stupid, they’re going to pass a bill that says they can shoot porn like California because they want our business. They want our economy.”

Black said the problem with the porn industry is it’s not thinking like a politican, and he drew the example of Senator Harry Reid [a Mormon, by the way] minority leader of the Democratic party.

“He almost lost his seat to a radical Tea Party crazy fuck in Nevada. And this crazy broad, and I say broad because I disrespect her, she went after Harry Reid and said horrible things and basically almost ousted him but Harry Reid won. Harry Reid decided to put out a bill where he was going to let porn legally make movies there. But that Tea Party movement you don’t think they’re going to be up his ass?

“Think abhout this- Harry Reid is taking the flunky, outcast disease spreaders of California and is wrapping his arms around them and bringing them to Nevada? Yeah, that looks good. Real fucking smart.”

“Harry Reid is going to risk his seat so he could have the porn industry come into Las Vegas and dump a bunch of fucking disease everywhere? Have Marcus running around fucking everybody. A little syphilis here a little syphilis there. Then you have Steve Hirsch going, ‘Hey everybody here’s my pregnant tape.’”

Black said it’s safe to assume that Harry Reid’s not going to allow porn in Nevada “because they would have to pass a law that they wouldn’t put us in prison.”

Black conceded that people are shooting in Vegas but they’re doing it under the radar. [Whereas Lee Roy Myers broadcast all over Twitter yesterday that he was opening up shop there.]

“You don’t think the AIDS Foundation aren’t going to chase you to Vegas, you stupid motherfuckers?”

“HIV is worldwide, but, oh, Stagliano has special HIV. You can’t get it even though he sticks women’s bare feet in his mouth. He has HIV that doesn’t get into you from a bunion.”

Black said it’s inconceivable that Reid would allow porn and HIV people and syphilis people into Nevada.

“I’ll make sure I risk my seat in the United States senate just for you guys.”

If that argument wasn’t enough, Black pointed out that Las Vegas is nothing but regulation.

“They have an athletic commission which goes back to the UFC argument. You have to be licensed to be a fighter. They come in and test you and make you get a license. If you’re a professional wrestler, you might have to have a license too.

“Las Vegas is a town that’s organized. What that means is they have lots of groups that all get together for the common good, Las Vegas, Nevada- something our business knows nothing about.”

“If they did our business would have gotten together with Los Angeles. Think about it. Los Angeles houses the film industry. We like to say we’re the film industry. We like to make films. We like to say we’re prtected under Free Speech.

“Can you imagine if ten years we got together with the city and the motion picture people and said to them we kinda want to do what you guys do. They would have said, what’s that? We would have said, get organized. They would have said what do you mean?”

Black insisted Steve Hirsch is a liar by telling you it would be alright to move to Las Vegas.

“Because a long with the athletic commission, they also have this other funny little thing called strip clubs. In those strip clubs they have girls and guys and guess what they do? They take their clothes off and shake their genitals and stuff for other people and get paid for that.

“But guess what? All those people are required to go to the Las Vegas police dept. and they have to get bonded and registered and they have to get a license to dance in a club. They have to get their finger prints and pictures taken and have to show a little bit that they’re not some fucking transient Aileen Wuornos that’s packing a gun.”

“Think about it. This ain’t free. The person has to pay for that license. And guess where that money goes? To the city and foundations that check for HIV. It goes to the health dept. and things like that because city the legislature says this has to go to productive stuff.”

Black said it’s absurd to think that porn people who won’t pay any kinds of fees in California would do so in Nevada.

“You’re going to tell the city and the police dept. you want us to get licenses? Fuck you.”

Another reason porn can’t happen in Las Vegas, said Black, is a very strict health department.

“Because there’s a tiny little town that has legalized prostitution. There’s a guy who sits there- Dennis Hof- he’s the king of that place. And porn stars go there to fuck fans. That town has legalized prostitution and it’s regulated by the health dept. Those girls have to be AIDS tested and those girls have to wear condoms.

“Not to mention that there’s a lot of taxes and other brothels. Those places make millions of dollars in tax dollars. Now you’re saying the porn industry that doesn’t want to be regulated by the health department is now going to go into Las Vegas to guys like Dennis Hof and say fuck you we’re not wearing rubbers. You think Dennis Hof isn’t going to have something to say? Nobody’s asked Dennis Hof about condoms. Ask Dennis Hof if he’d be cool about our industry coming in there and not being regulated and going fuck you, we’re porn stars.”

“Our business is complaining that the health dept. can come in and show up on a set. Assholes, that’s what they do with massage parlors and health clubs. That’s what they do in Las Vegas where you want to move to, you dumb motherfuckers.”

“Here’s the last one. They also have a thing called unions. Organized unions. If any of you people ever went to a [AEE] show there and did business you would know that you couldn’t move a box of tissue without guys called the Teamsters. And those Teamsters say fuck you, you gotta pay all this crap. In Las Vegas they have a Teamsters union. They have a bartenders union. They have a garbage union. They have a blowjob union. They have a union for everything. You know why? Because they’re organized and that was created by a man named Jimmy Hoffa. Jimmy Hoffa’s the man who made organized labor.”

“Hollywood has a union, guys. Hollywood has a central casting agency. Hollywood has central SAG cards and you can’t work for people unless you have SAG cards. Like we can’t work for people without AIDS tests.

“We’ve always had regulations that we self-impose. We don’t film fisting. You can only do four fingers. Guys, Las Vegas is a union town. You think Las Vegas is going to let seven agents come into their town and be a bunch of pimps and send a bunch of girls out there? And guys like Derek are going to call people and threaten them on their phones?

“Derek, there’s a lot of holes in the desert. I’d love to see you sit down with a union delegate. You won’t be able to threaten them. See, Derek, you little pussy. You threaten me? I’m under federal investigation, you stupid motherfucker. What are you fucking stupid?”

Black concluded by saying the industry was stuck in California and anything that goes for Nevada will go for Arizona and other states.

“You think John McCain is going to let this happen? Listen, you guys need a new leader and dismantle what we have and rebuild. Remember, organizations. We need to organize and protect the workers and protect the business.

Origen,
Performer consent is at the heart of the appeals that the industry is using to fight Measure B in court, and if their is a legal challenge to AB332.. The industry producers claim it violates their first ammenment rights, but their is no inherent right to film before the legal consent is given. Excersing rights does not require consent from third parties.

And the industry argument, we will go underground, stop testing, and make things worse for performers is never going to convince an assemblyperson to vote no.

*”your” not “you’re”…

Brooke, I’m sorry but you said you only have THREE members? And you’re site has been “doing fine”? I’m confused. I mean, I agree that condoms are not a big deal for some producers but they are for others. I mean, your situation is not even remotely comparable with the situation Evil Angel is in–with their costs and their revenue strategy…

BTW, I’m baffled as to why you only have three members. Your site is well constructed!

I’m sorry, jilted, but this is a non-sequitr. Performer consent is not within the scope of AB 332. The bill focuses exclusively on the producer side.

Honestly, I was wrong in my previous comment. The bill has been amended not to effect homemade movies or cammers (the “unpaid individual” inclusion has been struck from the text). Potential for a legal challenge still exists but the misdemeanor penalty has also been struck from the text–something I’m sure AHF is not too happy about.

All in all, this is not so bad for the adult industry. I honestly think AHF wanted to go further–as censorship is their real motive–but the bill is pretty even handed.

I mean, it’s draconian in the sense that condoms MUST be used by every studio but this is the life the Industry chose with it’s rampant disregard for performer well being. If they don’t like it, they can pack up and move to the UK…

Compton? Really?

And none of this matters anyway. OSHA still rules the land. And no state OSHA can adopt any guideline that is not at least as strict as the Federal OSHA guidelines. Why does everyone who argues on behalf of the industry and is fiihting in court not recognizing this.

FSC says they have been negotiating with OSHA, and OSHA has been telling them we cant do anything less strict than the Federal Guidelines, but good ole Dianne Duke just keeps telling everyone “We are working with OSHA to develop industry appropriate standards.” All bullshit, lies, what ever you want to call it, its called bullshit.

Origen,
The FSC is flat broke. They barely have enough money to pay the light bill. There is no way they are banking on this passing so they can fight antoher legal battle, they simply do not have the funds for it, and I don’t see any Daddy Warbucks on the horizon.n The industry has no cpmpelling argument.

Remember that std study at TTS where they paid the performers 40 dollars for participating. Guess what, its going t be published shortly, and then its good night Irene.

The performers are consenting adults. There is no first ammendment issue here, or prior restraing argument. The act that is being filmed requires the particpants to FIRST give consent to one another. Without this consent, the producer has no legal right to film it. If the producer must wait for the ‘third parties'(actors) to give legal consent to one another(not the producer), then this is not a first ammendment right for the producer to film, the producer is given permission to film an act that requires legal consent from the participants. Its a complicated issue but I am sure you get the picture.

A producer does not need legal consent to film two actors who are waiving a flag on a steet, but he does need the actors to give eachother legal consent to film them fucking. It is not a straight up first ammendment right to film two people fucking, other legal steps must be taken BEFORE the camera rolls.