Wouldn’t cha know it, I get all worked up and write a bit about this and I got it wrong. In her closing sentence she wrote that the only copy of “Pornocracy” she could find was online and it was pirated…I understood this to mean that is the one she reviewed. Nate Glass told me that she indeed contacted him and asked him to get her a legit copy and he did. Whether she wasn’t clear or I simply misunderstood, Ms Tibbals did indeed view a legit copy so I owe her an apology and a correction, and this is it…In the same type and manner of the original because if I do get it wrong Im totally Ok with admitting it.
Maybe I shouldn’t get so worked up but what has happened to this industry as a result of piracy is just really sad.
As to the moron who commented that it wasn’t stealing because the original buyer still has the copy…I say that is what happens when you drink on an empty fucking brain right there He can come bring his lawnmower and mow my yard…He can take his lawnmower back home when he is done so I didn’t steal anything from him…fucking moron….prolly works for a tubesite I doubt even he believes that horseshit…
Anyway Again my apologies to Ms Tibbals.
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I will give a counterpoint to Mortal’s comment on the other article. Is downloading a copy of a copyrighted work theft? Maybe not. However, it is stealing of some sort, we call it piracy/pirating. If something is truly not made available by the copyright owner at any price and isn’t physically taken from him/her/them, there is an argument that it isn’t stealing as the copyright owner hasn’t made it available, it is something that doesn’t deprive the owner of anything if he/she/they aren’t selling it anyway and he/she/they refuse (or just don’t care) to make it available. That is the case with some older music, for example. There are convincing arguments on both sides of that coin.
I concede that situation isn’t the same as stealing a lawnmower or television from someone but also concede that people should at least make a honest attempt to purchase such music (or video) legally before pirating it — and that doesn’t include just checking Amazon and calling it an honest search. However, that doesn’t apply in this case IMO. This documentary was just produced, I am sure if someone contacted Colin or his wife could direct a person to whomever is selling the documentary on DVD or via download.
It might even be on his subscription website (I am not a subscriber and can’t find a search option on the front page of their site). Since contact information for Wasteland is on his site I will give it here. Phone: 603-465-9098. E-Mail: support @ phoenixgrp.com (remove the spaces between support and @ as well as between @ and phoenix). I don’t know if Colin directly receives the e-mail but Wasteland is a small company, if necessary I am sure the message can be delivered to him by whomever services the phone or e-mail accounts. Nate at TDP could likely also direct someone to the source to purchase a legal copy. Chauntelle could have done a better service finding out and telling people how they can buy a copy rather than just saying it was only available via piracy. She evidently had the contacts.
As for “fair use”, that only applies to use of snippets of a copyrighted work (usually 30 seconds or less although that can be extended a bit under certain circumstances up to about two or three minutes). It doesn’t apply if you try to use the whole work claiming “fair use” if the work is longer than a paragraph if written or a couple of minutes if audio or video, period. I don’t know what newspaper, other media outlet or educational institution you work for (or if that is the case at all) Mortal but you really need to consult an appropriate attorney to discuss “fair use”. Mortal, as for your comments that (essentially — at least my interpretation of it) that watching a copyrighted work for “free” via a tube site isn’t some sort of stealing without serious qualification making the statement not apply to 99% of copyrighted works, go fuck yourself and you are a fucking moron — as the famous wrestling manager Jim Cornette says, thank you, fuck you, bye!
Thanks so much for the retraction and apology to Chauntelle, Mike.
That was a very honorable thing to do.
/Much Respect
Colin at Wasteland.com
@mharris127
Do feel free to get in touch with me!
I will respond to you directly.
Direct email is [email protected] Skype @ rowntree2007
Piracy is a complex IP issue, and happy to discuss it with you from a producer perspective.
Best Regards,
colin at Wasteland
@mharris…..
Nates’s direct email is [email protected] for follow up conversation……
It is my understanding that the movie will soon be available on Amazon Prime Video.
This all could have been avoided, if you had simply reached out to her (and waited) for her comment. I get it – this is a blog, and anyone can write a blog, but if you want to talk about important issues, and be taken seriously, the onus is on you to be a professional. As long as your original post remains visible on the website, (and you run the risk of people reading that one, but possibly not this one), you are damaging her name and reputation. Those of us who know and respect her, know she deserves MUCH better than this.
Finally, while “what has happened to this industry as a result of piracy” may be unfortunate, what you’ve done is reckless, irresponsible, and selfish. Get it together, so you can use your website and writing to do something constructive, rather than lashing out without all the facts.
Reba it’s not really that easy. The thing about bloggers is, we tend to write from the heart so when something upsets us, we use our platform to react. Sometimes, admittedly we make mistakes, all of us do — but in the end it’s that same passion that also makes us great at what we do.
We can take issues we care about and use our passion to try and make a change for the better. Okay, not every blog does this, but here at Mike South I can assure you that is the case with every blogger we have on the site, including our founder Mike South himself.
His passion makes him a better person. His drive to make things for the industry as a whole is something I greatly respect about him.
Colin, thank you for your offer to discuss piracy further directly. I will e-mail in the next couple of days, I would like to take some time to write the e-mail in a thoughtful manner before sending it. I may send an e-mail to Nate as well.
Kelli, I have to agree with your comment. We all get it wrong from time to time (blogger or not) but I don’t think anyone here has malicious intent. Those writing articles for this site are writing thoughtful articles mainly about industry issues. Yes, there are a few more fluff articles lately but sometimes it takes such articles to get readers, many porn fans may find this site from a Google search on their favorite performer, find one of those articles, read it and stick around to read other. I wish Lurking Reader and a couple of other commenters from the earlier iteration of this site were still commenting here but most comments here are thoughtful even if I sometimes make them in a crude manner.
Actually, Keli, it IS “that easy.” Writing a blog doesn’t give someone license to libel. Mike could have done 5 minutes of research, prior to posting utter lies, and owed Chauntel’s that much. A writer can be passionate and determined, all they want, but printing lies about people is despicable.
Imagine if I heard or thought you were an animal abuser, and simply posted that accusation, along with your name, on a public sight. I may be passionately opposed to animal abuse. I may have been triggered by what I heard. It doesn’t give me the right to publish falsehoods. Now, imagine I found out differently, but didn’t remove my accusations, and then made a weak apology – AND people excused my behavior. Imagine people reading you were abusing animals, and never seeing a subsequent post, retracting the comments. Just imagine all that. Everyone who reads it now thinks you abuse animals. I don’t think you’d be as cavalier about defending the author of that article, as you are doing here.
I don’t know Mike, and I am not judging him as a person. That said, I stand by my first comment. The level of irresponsibility (and possibly actionable accusations) is inexcusable. The fact that he hasn’t removed the post, and people can still see him calling an honest person a liar, speaks louder than his “apology.”
I totally agree with RebRocket on this on.
“Bloggers”, as well as media influencers link Milo Yiannopoulos have, for years, worn the cloak of being “journalists” who are to some degree protected from libel litigation. The truth of the matter is that bloggers are not protected (remember the blogger who called Charlie, the owner of NATS “mafioso”. Charlie lawyered up and ended up taking her house away from her via the courts for libel.
For the most part (but not so much any more), most journalists do a bit of fact checking if their article is saying anything damaging or inflammatory of an individual or company. It really is pretty simple for bloggers and journalists alike letting them know someone has accused them of something, and giving them the opportunity for rebuttal.
If they do not reply, well, then we get into the disclaimer of “we asked [this person] their side of the story and they did not respond to our inquiry made on [date].
That at least is fair and levels the playing field, and hopefully prevents damaging things that are untrue being published.
/2 cents.
Colin at Wasteland
Here is an example of when the whole thing runs off the rails and seriously damages someone to the extreme:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/05/11/527590762/what-pepe-the-frogs-death-can-teach-us-about-the-internet
not sure if audio embeds work here, but this a great listen:
nope! no iframes for podcasts here. 🙁
Listen to it here:
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/05/11/527590762/what-pepe-the-frogs-death-can-teach-us-about-the-internet
I’m not saying it’s okay to flat out libel someone. I just meant that sometimes passion can sometimes cause a blogger to react and writing about how they feel is their platform.
Sometimes they are wrong as in the case of calling some guy a member of the mob. But that’s not really an emotional reaction. That’s a personal attack, said with malicious intent with the sole purpose to hurt the person in question.
In this case, Mike was passionate about piracy and something he read wrong in the story made him think that girl was guilty of piracy. He admitted he read the article wrong and apologized.
I think about this porn star named Bobbi Dylan. There is a blogger out there telling people (and writing about) how Bobbi Dylan is actually a tranny (she is not – she was born a female). He’s writing things like how she is going through gender transformation surgery. That’s a blatant hurtful thing that could very well hurt her career. That’s libel and as a result, the blogger should be punished.
But to say that what Mike South said, in defense of porn piracy is the same in comparison is flat out crazy. Mike South said what he did because he was defending the entire industry as a whole. His actions were based on true and genuine concern, not out of hateful malice and I think that makes the difference.
Maybe I’m wrong. But that’s my opinion on the matter.
Kelli, I don’t know if you’re intentionally deflecting, or being ironic. Mike called Chauntel a hypocrite, a thief, and a liar. It sure seems like you’re trying to excuse that by pointing out his passion against piracy. Your lack of compassion and understanding or any sort of defense of Chauntel is shameful, and your credibility has been shattered by your comments on this entire matter.
Had I read the same story that Mike did, rest assured I would have said the exact same thing. It was poorly worded and implied she actually stole a copy of the movie.
Turns out that wasn’t the case, however on first read, it does appear that way. Get over yourself already. We get it, your little friend got her feelings hurt and you have to defend her. Good for you.
I’ll tell you a little secret in life … if you don’t want to run the risk of people attacking you, don’t put yourself out there.
Congratulations, Keli – you haven’t just lost your credibility, now you’ve lost our respect. This has nothing to do with friendship. Once again, you are making assumptions and accusations, with nothing to back up your claims. This has everything to do with Mike irresponsibly attacking someone.
It’s not Chauntel’s fault you two are incapable of accurately reading. She clearly states only media can get a legitimate copy, and that she is media. NOWHERE does she imply she stole anything. You might be able to fool yourself, but the rest of us aren’t buying it.
Here, Kelli, let me help you out:
Chauntel actually says, “Sadly though, without media access (which I had)….” See the “which I had” section? She is clearly saying she HAD MEDIA ACCESS! The fact that you’re implying that was poorly written is laughable. In fact, you state in your last comment, “Had I read the same story Mike did…,” which implies you haven’t even read it! Maybe you should, before you defend Mike’s action so vehemently.
“our respect”?? Who are you speaking of? The only person I see here bitching is you. Do you speak on behalf of some group of people that I’m unaware of?
Yes, Kelli – I speak on behalf of people who care about responsible journalism, truth, and fairness. I speak on behalf of people who don’t just read something, and take your word for it. I speak on behalf of people who are not interested in getting in the dirt with you, but are laughing at you and Mike, privately, behind the scenes, knowing that (as I have now learned), trying to have a conversation about the importance of something will lead to you digressing into childish responses. I speak on behalf of Chauntel, who has the class to not dignify this entire matter with any sort of response.
The real questions is, why aren’t YOU “bitching” about someone posting pure, unadulterated lies about a well-respected journalist? Why don’t YOU seem care about the credibility of this site? Why doesn’t truth seem to be important to you? Maybe, instead of trying to keep up with my valid points with rhetoric, you could reflect, and see if you might have missed the entire point of my (and Collin’s) comments.
Who da fuck is RebaRocket and why she so butt hurt about what someone said about Chauntel Tibbals?
Yes, Kelli – I speak on behalf of people who care about responsible journalism, truth, and fairness. I speak on behalf of people who don’t just read something, and take your word for it. I speak on behalf of people who are not interested in getting in the dirt with you, but are laughing at you and Mike, privately, behind the scenes, knowing that (as I have now learned), trying to have a conversation about the importance of something will lead to you digressing into childish responses. I speak on behalf of Chauntel, who has the class to not dignify this entire matter with any sort of response.
The real questions is, why aren’t YOU “bitching” about someone posting pure, unadulterated lies about a well-respected journalist? Why don’t YOU seem care about the credibility of this site? Why doesn’t truth seem to be important to you? Maybe, instead of trying to keep up with my valid points with rhetoric, you could reflect, and see if you might have missed the entire point of my (and Collin’s) comments.
To 33 Fucks (since you don’t even have the balls to post your real name), I’m not “butt hurt.” I’m defending the truth, where nothing but lies had been posted. If you’d bother to read all the comments, you’d not need to ask. 🙂
Hon, I’ve been in this business long enough to know that when someone is that obsessive about a subject matter, they have a vested interest. #JustSayin’