In an interview with Xbiz
Karen, speaking for John states that he never had any kind of penetrative sex with Katie Summers and the extent of the contact was him touching her ass. Therefor she claims that the lawsuit has no merit.
In my opinion this may not turn out well for Type 9 Modeling, who sent her to the shoot. It is a pretty clear violation of California law that governs agencies.
I have long said that a hungry lawyer could single handedly bring down this biz with civil lawsuits…Looks like that too is coming to pass.
One way or another Porn Valley is going to be forced to clean up its act.
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Karen Stagliano aka Tricia Deveroux Speaks For John http://t.co/t57Ex9Zv6F
@MikeSouth1226 I wamt to speak for John! I can’t as I don’t watch video. But if the summaries are right this suit is frivolous.
@MikeSouth1226 And, I want to spell want right and I want my keyboard to stop sticking when I hit the space bar.
No shit!
@MikeSouth1226 I admit I’m friends w/ John. It would be sleazy if i commented while leaving out I used to date Karen or now live w/ Summers.
@MikeSouth1226 Not that I am saying that anyone would do something that deceptive. That would be horrible.
Karen/Tricia is also HIV positive…as I recall.
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From a public relations standpoint, I believe that Stagliano showed bad judgment in directing those videos. The perception that you did something wrong can hurt you, irregardless as to whether you did something wrong or not. Many people are paranoid of HIV and don’t realize how difficult it is transmit. There are still people who think that a HIV person just touching objects is going to transmit the HIV virus.
So what’s the difference between John not telling girls about his HIV and Mr.Marcus forging his test? Both had something to hide and lied about their heath status. So should John be casted out of porn as Mr.Marcus was?
It’s a real scumbag move on John’s part.
If all the girls got together and filed a class action suit that would bankrupt EA.
Wow! Richard Abowitz from the Las Vegas Review is on here?
How close are u really with the Stag? Are u into threesomes too?
Amazing industry they got here!
This is a really pathetic attempt at making sense of some kind of ignorant prejudice, if a person has HIV its not exactly the same as being a lepper, or a zombie. Way to go Katie Summers! The adult industry is filled with some of the most idiotic people.
All lame exucses in world are not gone matter when any type cases go front powers be in this case that well be court judge who gone decide this case id one or not. I well say this California courts have been passing very many favorable court decisions for pornographers of llate. With would be suprise if they did drops this case.
Final: Rob Black: Karen Stagliano + John Stagliano= Total Arrogance; Karen Stagliano is a Doctor and a Lawyer all Rolled Into One
sexual touching, nah
The cows have come home. Can you hear the mooing? Can you smell the patties in the meadow?
Rob Black devoted his entire show, Tuesday to the John Stagliano lawsuit and fashioned a lynch rope with the quotes Karen Stagliano gave both AVN and XBiz.
As anyone with experience in lawsuits will tell you, mum’s the word, but Karen Stagliano made comment after idiotic comment that could sink Evil Angel before they even get to the deposition.
Black compared the Staglianos to the Jack Nicholson character in A Few Good Men. It’s Nicholson who sinks a court martial involving two Marines when the lawyer [Tom Cruise] knows what buttons to push. It’s a little thing called arrogance, and Black pointed to the fact that Karen Stagliano’s comments were brimming with it.
“Basically she’s saying I can do whatever I want in the interest of national security, fuck you. That’s John Stagliano,” Black pointed out.
“I told you this was coming and no one listened to me,” added Black.
“These are the biblical times, the end times.”
Black said he’s never seen anyone in the midst of a lawsuit/criminal complaint, in the middle of the “shit storm about the condom debate” reach over the top the way Karen Stagliano did.
“AVN and XBiz couldn’t cover it up; it’s a real story,” said Black.
“It puts everything on the table in a legal setting, possibly in a criminal setting. It’s no longer crazy Rob Black being a lunatic. Now it becomes a real debate. Now it becomes a debate for The Huffington Post.
“Even better you have Karen Stagliano- I guess she’s the lawyer because John Stagliano hasn’t hasn’t spoken about this issue. And with the lawsuit, Karen Stagliano admits everything John did but says it wasn’t that bad. Oh my God- who let you speak!!?? It’s really unfathomable.
“Karen Stagliano, you are awesome. It just shows you the smugness and the attitude. They feel they are Jack Nicholson, and Stagliano wants to say fuck you- I don’t have to abide by the rules and we are above you all, that my HIV is so special that it’s undetectable.” [Which is exactly what Karen Stagliano said.]
“Seriously, the arrogance is amazing,” Black continued. “Katie Summers’ attorney is going, wow, this is pretty easy. You have people saying, yeah, we’re guilty but we don’t have to tell you anything. It’s not like we put our penis in you.
“This is Jerry Sandusky’s wife defending Jerry Sandusky,” Black contends.
“’I would wrestle on a mat and take showers with young boys.’ What Karen Stagliano is saying is so awesome. That’s like Sandusky saying I only showered with young boys.
Karen Stagliano told AVN, “I believe that there is not a substantial case. John did not do anything that endangered anyone whatsoever, especially not this girl [Katie Summers]. I’ve seen the scene. There was no sexual contact that would do anything to warrant him having to have informed her of his condition.”
Under those guidelines, Black took that to mean that Stagliano’s bare hands in Chanel Preston’s asshole didn’t warrant full disclosure, neither did his scene with A.J. Applegate, his hand in her ass and in vagina deserve that attention.
“The definition in Karen Stagliano’s head is John has to take genital contact,” said Black.
“If you go by what Karen Stagliano is saying this is unfathomable. She is saying what a child molester would say, ‘sleeping in bed with a young boy is not wrong. I didn’t touch his genitals.’
Black also made a big deal out of Karen Stagliano saying that John Stagliano has been HIV undetectable for the last 15 years.
“Basically she’s saying he’s been cured of HIV because it isn’t in his blood, but he continues to take the medicine as a precaution. ‘I’m cured but let me take the medicine as a precaution.’
“Modern day technology is supposed to suppress the HIV virus. Stop taking the the medicine for a year and let’s see if HIV is then detectable in his blood.
“I can’t believe these statements. You’re big fucking mouth, Karen Stagliano, since you’re this spokesman- I can’t believe this genius John Stagliano would have his wife make statements in a very, very, very serious situation.
“Any good lawyer will make a $50M case out of this,” said Black.
“If you don’t see the grander picture I don’t even fathom it. The best part is that Karen Stagliano throws out insults. It’s amazing. And Karen Stagliano says that John Stagliano is not a sex performer.
“It’s unfathomable. You have Karen Stagliano deciding what is a sex performer and who needs to have a test- if this does not show you the arrogance, oh my God, for people to be this fucked up.”
“The attorneys involved in the Katie Summers suit, their penises must be so erect by now. But you have the legions of sheep that follow ‘Stags’.
“But Stags doesn’t even have the wherewithal to get Gelbard, a scholarly lawyer; Cambria, a monster titan; H. Louis Sirkin, a gentle giant. Nope. They went with Karen Stagliano.
“There’s not one thing untrue in any of the statements in the lawsuit,” Black stated.
“First off John Stagliano doesn’t have the balls to state anything. He has his wife do it which is disgusting. They are deciding what they feel Katie Summers needs to know. How is that for arrogance?”
Black again went off on Karen Stagliano’s comment to AVN, “I believe that there is not a substantial case. John did not do anything that endangered anyone whatsoever, especially not this girl. I’ve seen the scene. There was no sexual contact that would do anything to warrant him having to have informed her of his condition.”
“Karen decides who gets put at medical risk or not, and she lies. If you watch the raw tape I beg to differ about sexual contact. Karen’s stance is no sexual genital contact, so he doesn’t have to tell Katie Summers he’s got HIV? No sexual contact? You mean I can do that to somebody’s mom? You’re definitely a good lawyer, Karen.
“Karen, you opened up the question of what would warrant you informing anybody that he’s HIV positive and doesn’t have a test. He had no genital contact? You’re saying fingers are not contacting if they touch genitals?
“Look up the definition of sexual contact. I know that in your world, we feel we live this life that we can do whatever we want. You guys got hit with a sexual lawsuit years ago. Look up the lawsuits with Chris Norman- sexual harassment. This is indicative of a company who tells you, we determine what sexual harassment is.
“Karen Stagliano, can Marc Wallice perform again? Can Darren James perform again? This is unconscionable.”
Black said if you substituted his name in any of Karen Stagliano’s statements he’s have been carted away in handcuffs. Black also noted that industry threw TT Boy under the bus over workmen’s comp issues.
“If this were TT Boy, the business would have burned his building down.”
“There has to be a mass conspiracy to bury this business, because, in Karen Stagliano’s theory John Stagliano can have sex again. Because he has super blood. When he wears that Dracula outfit [Stagliano wore such an outfit at an AVN show], he made a deal with somebody because according to Karen Stagliano he’s been HIV undetectable for 15 years.
“Karen Stagliano’s statements are going to be used in a court of law,” said Black.
“Karen is saying John Stagliano’s HIV was diagnosed, and his doctor said you have HIV; but your life ain’t over yet. Magic Johnson lives a happy and a safe life. You can take drugs that will lower your virus load. It’s a good thing you’re a billionaire because you can take the medicine Magic Johnson has, and in years they will perfect the medicine.
“But you can’t go around and have sex with people. You have a life changing disease, but you’ll live a happy and healthy life, but don’t stop the meds. You stop, you will get sick. Maybe when they have flying cars, you’ll have a shot that gets rid of HIV. I would imagine that’s what your doctor would tell you.”
Black said he’s not real sure where Karen Stagliano comes up with saying that Katie Summers didn’t have to be informed of Stagliano’s HIV status.
“I guess the kingmaker doesn’t have to do the things that would give people choice,” Black surmised.
“But doesn’t everybody want to know when they’re being put in danger? People get in trouble for having loaded weapons in their house and the son shoots the daughter.”
Black said if Karen Stagliano’s statements were applied in any normal political context there would be mass outrage.
“She’s saying John Stagliano doesn’t have HIV and can start performing in the business. Does he have it, or does he not? Which is it? I’m lost.
“All of her statements are lies, and I can’t believe they’re letting her talk like this. This is an elitist, ‘I am rich, you’re not, you’re some piece of shit talent statement. Nothing you say merits anything.’
Black said in a whole litany of conversation over lunch with Stagliano and Summers, the subject of HIV never came up.
“Nobody said we’d like to disclose information…I got it and blah, blah, blah…if you’re cool with that. According to Karen Stagliano this girl was just touched but you only catch disease through bodily fluids. But in restaurants, where there’s no sexual contact, you’re required to wear rubber gloves.
“Karen Stagliano makes a whole assumption they don’t have to tell anyone because they decide what’s safe and not and we’re not even sure if he has HIV.
“Alan Gelbard, if Stagliano is your hero like you’ve said, why would you let his wife make these outrageous statements?” Black asked.
“I am perplexed. What do you think a judge will say when they read these statements? It defies logic.”
“Maybe it’s not about money,” said Black about the lawsuit. “Maybe Katie Summer is saying, ‘This is going to be my business and I’m not going to act like a dumb little hooker.’
“John Stagliano with a speculum took Chanel Preston and spread apart her asshole and her vagina and Stagliano sticks his hand inside her. Did that warrant him telling her he had HIV?
“That’s wrong but it was okay with Katie Summers. This is Jerry Sandusky’s wife saying I knew they were wrestling in the basement. I knew he made Stretch Class, but it doesn’t warrant him telling dumb little cunts that he has HIV. There was no sexual touching of her genitals so what do you think about that?
“With AJ Applegate he had his hand inside her, but according to Karen Stagliano what John did with Katie Summers didn’t warrant him having to tell her he had HIV- none of that was sexual contact with the dildos and the clothespins.
“Does that mean the contact he had with A.J. Applegate did warrant him informing her, and if that’s the case, will A.J. Applegate sit on a stand in a court of law that John Stagliano informed her he was HIV and that he would insert his hand in her ass, and she was alright with that? If putting your hand in a girl’s vagina isn’t sexual contact, I don’t know what is.
“But according to Karen Stagliano he doesn’t have to tell you. Jerry Sandusky’s wife said ‘I didn’t know he was fucking those kids; they were just wrestling.’ When Michael Jackson slept in a bed with a 15 year-old boy is that not sexual contact?
“And if you have a disease that can be transmitted in any form whatsoever, and you are engaged in sexual contact, I think the courts would show gaping open a girl’s asshole with your fingers and your cuticles being centimeters away from a girl’s rectum, is that what you call, Karen Stagliano, not sexual activity, and not putting anybody at any type of medical risk? Are you out of your fucking minds?
“Can we start a line where Marc Wallis is spreading girls’ assholes apart? Darren James fucked a trannie like John Stagliano- can he start a line like that and would people be outraged if he did that then went out to the press and said we don’t have to tell you people shit?
“’We’ll deem what is risky behavior, and we know better for your safety and health than you do stupid porn girl, porn guy. Hahhahaha you’re all losers.’ It’s amazing.
“You think John Stagliano’s the only with this attitude? But this is the culture of the business. This seems to be alright in our business that people like John Stagliano are able to decide the health and safety of the performers and what he’s allowed to do with you all.
“John Stagliano who owns Evil Angel, that is his attitude. So what is the other big wigs’ attitude? What does Koretsky do? What does Vivid do? What does Derek Hay do, and you have to work in a fucked up Porno Dan scene with him for $500.
“Evil Angel’s attitude is we will decide who knows or doesn’t know who has a disease.”
Black concluded from Karen Stagliano’s comments that John Stagliano must be the only one in America to have a special HIV.
“The doctors said, “It ain’t in your blood, babe, but take the medicine just as a precaution.”
“Take the precaution to take an HIV immune booster, but where’s the waiver that states the performers were informed that John Stagliano is HIV?”
Black said in four paragraphs Karen Stagliano sunk the ship.
“You as the 1% are destroying this business- you take all the precautions that John Stagliano’s health and safety are protected for his wife and employees and children, but John Stagliano and Evil Angel can’t take the same precautions with the talent in this business to inform them and divulge to them to let them take precautions?
“Did you let Chanel Preston or Jessie Rogers take precautions in Stretch Class? Where’s their precaution that their health and peace of mind is intact? They take the precautions that Stagliano lives forever, but fuck everybody else.
“You sonsofbitches are disgusting,” Black concluded. “They don’t care. That is their exact attitude.
“The things that are going to unfold the next month is going to change the business,” he predicted.
this is all baloney. while the biz is spinning its wheels over something this frivolous, gay stunt cocks (where testing is shit) are crossing over. this is a diversion from the real issues facing porn.
Thank those LA agents too! Assholes!
On adultdvdtalk, Tricia comments again about the scene with Katie Summers: “And John believed Katie knew too. Even though he had no plans to do anything with any risk at all with her, and didn’t do anything with a risk.”
So Jaime, in other words Karen is saying that neither she or John, or anybody who works for that company notified her.
That is the exact reason why most smart people say “No Comment’ when they get sued, instead of admitting to the core aspect of the lawsuit.
Not that this is ia criminal case(yet) the old addage still applies, “What you say can and will be used against you in court”
I have not seen this scene, or any other Stretch Class scences, so I plead ignorance. My understanding is that Stagliano didn’t insert his penis in the girls, but that he did put his finger in their vaginas and anuses on occasion. So, to everyone who says, what’s the big deal, I’d pose this question.
You’re a guy and go to the urologist for your prostate exam. Your doctor is HIV positive. Not only does he not tell you, he does the exam without a rubber glove. You subsequently find out he’s HIV positive.
Do you say to your wife: It’s really no big deal. It’s not like he put his dick in me?
Your wife goes to her male gynecologist. He’s HIV positive, but he doesn’t tell her. He does a pelvic exam and a rectal exam without gloves. She’s really upset when she later learns that he’s HIV positive. Do you tell her: Calm down, honey. What he did was not sexual.
BT thats why I love ya man ( in a strictly non sexual way) You have a great ability to break it down into real world scenarios….excellent point
LOL. I love you too, as only two middle-aged heterosexual men who have never met in person can love!
After I wrote that post, I knocked off for the day and got on the treadmill. I started thinking about the state of LA porn today and how porn starlets are viewed.
If you’re a prostitute in Nevada, you are regularly tested for venereal disease. Your place of work is inspected by the Department of Health. Your Johns wear condoms.
Folks call you a whore.
If you’re female porn talent in LA, you can be penetrated in all of your orifices at one time, sometimes with multiple objects or penises in each orifice, without a condom. You can be groped by a lecherous 61 year old who has been HIV+ for a decade.
You can be squirted on by another actress and asked to suck on a penis that has just been removed from your butt. Your partner can ram a fist in your vagina or anus.
You can be bound, gagged, flogged, clamped and electrocuted. You can be led into a room of strangers who are free to spit on you, call you names, grab you and penetrate you as long as they’ve washed their hands.
You can be pissed on. You can be asked to drink piss. Heck, you can even be asked to eat a cup full of shit – remember, Ira was not prosecuted by LAPD for what he did to his talent. He wasn’t even prosecuted for filming it. He was prosecuted by the Feds for distributing it.
Folks call you a star.
What I wonder is: Who has the more glamourous job?
I would say all the new pornstarlets that just joined the agencies and
like getting pissed on and shited on and jizzed on, and can do DP’s
have a glamorous life.
Rob Black Claims Karen Stagliano Got Sexually Reckless to Spite Him
I’ve always said think twice before you twitter or talk shit about Rob Black because this guy’s got more dirt than a Dust Devil vacuum cleaner bag. Karen Stagliano has apparently made remarks that Black is/was an abusive rapist. They had been a porn item for a little over a year before they split.
Black spent about the last hour of his show Wednesday picking up the shards of his former romance with Stagliano when she was porn performer Tricia Devereaux. Black painted a picture of drinking and reckless abandon to describe the porn life of Devereaux.
I’ll give you the entire story in a morning’s post, but, suffice for now, Black opened an area of discussion that intrigues me.
Black referred to a Zane movie Devereaux performed in. It’s always been assumed that Devereaux contracted HIV from Marc Wallice on a John Bowen shoot. I don’t think so because at the time news broke that Devereaux had tested positive, this Zane movie also came out. I watched it and saw Devereaux, who was obviously high on something, being passed around like a doobie at a Grateful Dead concert. From fan to fan to fan.
Chuck Zane had sent the movie over to AVN to get my opinion of it. My opinion was a bad one because this made Zane [and Devereaux] look like a bunch of sexually irresponsible louts. Chuck went nuts and sent his second-in-command Burt Levesque over to AVN to give me a what-for dressing down. Except I showed Burt the scene. His face dropped. End of discussion.
Black on his show explained the movie thusly: “Now she [Devereaux] starts performing to where there’s a Zane movie with a house party where she’s being passed back and forth and fans are having sex with her.
“It’s a Matt Zane house party fuck party and she was in it being passed around by fans. Then she gets onto a set with John T. Bone- she runs into a man named Marc Wallice. He fucks her in the ass and infects her with HIV.
“So she was getting back at Rob Black the abusive boyfriend who prevented her from being a star. “ [That was always Devereaux’s contention.]
“Maybe she got it [HIV] at that house party,” Black surmised.
“We don’t know how it happened.” Once the word about Devereaux got out, though, Black, who was banging Nikki the receptionist at Elegant Angel, was told by her to get to the clinic and get tested.
“Karen was part of the scandal, and Marc Wallice infected six women,” Black continued.
“Marc Wallice who didn’t disclose information- he decided he was going to put you at risk; Karen, the girl, who to get back at the abusive boyfriend, put herself at risk and got infected with HIV. She got revenge HIV. She got back into the business and went ‘I’m going to be reckless as humanly possible to get back at my ex boyfriend.’
“A man named John Stagliano had a girlfriend that got drunk and together with a girlfriend they were driving drunk and went off a ledge. John Stagliano was sued for it. And then John Stagliano went to Brazil and participated in reckless behavior because he felt guilty. He was going to do something reckless. He came back with HIV and now he conceals and hides his HIV.
“Karen, you led a reckless life just like your husband, and now you’re condemning a girl, Katie Summers. This just shows how sick you and your husband are. Debate this, you sonofabitch.”