Harris? I am SOOOO glad that you suggested to me to read your old comments. They are riveting! Such bullshit Harris..

. I wonder how many times you have plugged kink on here? I would try to count but I would be here FOREVER! The checks must be piling up, EH? Psst.. For someone who is not in the industry you certainly spew the industry BULLSHIT regarding condoms..

Even though I am for condoms .. I have absolutely NO problem if someone is against them … My problem with the anti-condom side is the outright LIES they spew for the reasons why they are against them. If someone from the anti-condom side can give me a good TRUTHFUL reason why they are against them then I would be willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt… But spewing condom rash… You will lose money etc…BULL cough cough SHIT! Is getting you guys no where…and the fact that axel Braun admitted that the reason he was against condoms was because of profits… Psst… He only cared about himself and not the health and safety of the performers! Contradicts EVERYTHING you guys spew! Stop insulting the general public with your bullshit lies!

@mharris

There are 34 common STI.

The constitutional issue in no way related to (would be licensed & regulated) workers or medical personnel. The issue related to clients/consumers who would likely be treated as patients/medical consumers where even in needle stick or surgical exposures the consumer can’t be forced to either test or reveal known infections.

Since we are speculating about legal prostitution even the criminal aspect where a court ordered warrant is required is out the window too.

Lol about ..if they can afford to buy sex they can afford to add a 300 test panel….how current does panel need to be and how the fuck would you regulate it? Maybe impose a three day waiting period to buy sex like guns? Yeah this would go over about as well as having clients provide Tests with matching ID on a 2257 like form for prostitutes records.

Can you picture uncle joe saying..okay buddy you got yer drivers permit now drive over to std clinic and tomorrow you can drive down to the corner…as much as I’d like to buy you an hour in a nice clean brothel 300 is only gonna leave me 50 for the crack ho on the corner.

I don’t know of 30 plus VDs but the ones on standard full panel (HIV 1 & 2, Gonorrhea, Chalymidia, Syphilis, HPV, Hep A, B, C, Genital Warts) minus Herpes are easy to test for with the appropriate lab testing. As for constitutional concerns this has already been settled, all medical personnel in Michigan are required to pass a TB test before working in a medical office, this requirement would be along the same lines except in this case for legally patronizing a prostitute. I think it would stand judicial muster quite well, certainly if it is constitutional to ban prostitution it is constitutional to put limits on it. Of course fast-detecting testing would be used (HIV PCR-RNA, Syphilis Trep-Sure) as it currently is in the adult film industry. IMO it would work as well as a condom mandate in this regard. AIM used to charge $300 for a full-panel, certainly if someone can afford to pay for sex he can afford to pay $300 for a pre-session lab test.

@mharris

With 30+ STI how would you regulate testing for all VD?

Say escorting were legalized as a regulated business… business licenses and testing implemented as a trade off to the threat of arrest and incarceration..how would or could this be constitutionally extended to unregulated consumers?

Lol can you imagine clients reaction to a 2257 like test form that matches legal name to test documentation provided…can’t see that attracting clients or boding well as a viable business model.

Regarding prostitution I think it should be legal country-wide with a requirement of a full VD panel for both client (with the results being negative for all VDs) and prostitute before a paid sex session can take place.

I will add that I sincerely don’t understand why an industry would pick up and move to another state without knowing what the rules & regulations would be… that’s the biggest problem at the moment: There are no rules & regulations directly related to shooting pornography, but I would imagine there will be soon enough. I would be willing to bet AHF is already on the ground in NV.

So, what happens if the government and NV-OSHA decide to pass laws & regulations that are more stringent than CA?

As of right now, no one knows… would they then move back to CA? I guess they’re just going to keep moving around from state to state?

I think I would want to know what the exact rules & regulations would be if I were planning on moving my entire company to another state?

Too bad there are none at the moment :-/
Still rather confused… ?

CPanzram –
“Actually it isn’t so far fetched, the porn production companies could all buy up property way out in the desert in Nevada (probably dirt cheap), build studios and not piss off the populace in a city because they moved into their town.”

There is a problem with that. The brothels want to move into Vegas and they can’t. As a result they are stuck in the desert being forced to adhere to very stringent laws. Do you actually think the brothels would allow porn to essentially do the same things they are doing and not have to abide by the laws that they have to? I think not.

If porn is going to abide by the laws in Nevada then there would be no need to move. With that said, it is a given that they won’t be following the laws that the brothels have to. The brothels are having the sex that CA porn companies are complaining about.

Hoff is a businessman that loves to make money. Why isn’t he filming porn at the Bunny Ranch? Probably because he knows he can’t.

That wasn’t shortsighted at all. While they are both considered prostitution at least the people who work at the Bunny Ranch aren’t spreading syphilis and HIV. Porn is. Porn doesn’t want the laws that the brothels have.

The brothel workers are tested every week. The STATE mandates this, and employers must keep records. Privacy is not an issue.

The rates of stds in the brothels is almost nil. All of this sex with untested partners and the std rate is so low,,,,because they use condoms. And I have never heard a peep about “condom rash” causing stds in the brothels.

The std rates in the brothels. with untested customers, is a pretty good measure that condoms work.

And you can go to Nevada, Forida, or the moon for that matter, PIRACY is now, and will be in the future what kills the industry.

If you think about it, the brothels have a vested interest in making business difficult for the porn industry in Nevada, although that probably wasn’t the point of mharris’s post. It’s this: scenes aren’t what they used to be. So, to make ends meet, many porn starlets escort. Right now, they do that in LA, NY, Philly, Miami, and other cities where they’re dancing. They’re not direct competition to the Nevada brothel scene.

Just because you move the porn industry to Nevada doesn’t mean the number of available scenes to your basic porn chick will go up, so, there will still be an incentive to escort – which takes visits away from the brothels unless Dennis Hof can corral all the porn chicks to only escort at his brothels.

If I were Hof, I’d use whatever influence I had with Nevada politicians to ensure that the porn industry is playing by the same rules as the rest of the sex trade operating in the state.

@mharris

So basically you subscribe to the FSC panel but would extend it to clients as well as talent? If so then I’d have to say opting not to kiss isn’t conservative it’s smart. HIV isn’t an easy catch orally but GC & CT certainly are.

It seems in the absence of blood or anatomical swabbing choosing to avoid swapping spit with the unknown shows self respect as well as client respect.

Till you add in number of off set partners porn stars have any comparison to brothel clients is ridiculous. Btw…do you know why cities are doing away with condom arrest laws? One major factor is that clients don’t / won’t carry them for fear of detection by significant other…so how is that pre-testing going to work out?

??? Hey honey since were going to Vegas it would be a good idea to update our STD tests…uh okay honey…and have fun paying sex workers for sex cuz that’s all the sex you’re getting ..smh