OMG!!!….just read a couple of Rob Black Blog posts on Adultfyi for the first time….WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!!

@jilted…yes a complete shame… we could learn a lot about transmission if that were the case… it all leads back to fear of the condom and regulations I believe…. im curious, would the people that object to watching condoms in porn…also object to condom porn that has been virtually removed?…. I hear mention that cost is a big determent for virtual removal, but how much can it cost?… I can picture a bunch of young techie guys clamoring to volunteer for the job.

Same Here Lurk, I’ve never heard mentioned higher risk during menses before…. which actually seems a bit counter intuitive to me… still blood plasma right?…. as for the meds, it was reported that the positive partner stopped taking her meds two years ago, thus maybe the high vaginal fluid viral load…I didn’t know that it may carry a higher load then blood…

Have you come across anything re the positive being on meds or maintaining an undetectable viral load? Lots of info about varied & higher viral loads in semen/ vaginal fluid than blood plasma but haven’t seen anything that mentions higher risk during menses.

Makes sense that some type of abrasion facilitated the transmission? The mouths natural defenses make oral to oral unlikely but doesn’t rule out oral/vaginal oral/anal or any other combo with dual penetration toys and unnoticed abrasions.

@Lacey….yea I read that too about the rough toy play…and also that they had sex sometimes when menstruating….but probably not oral at that time im guessing…. I can see the sharing toy play maybe being a issue if they both had an open sore or scratch, but thats a lot of things needing to line up.

@laura b –
I know.. the amount of data they have on this case is quite amazing.. years and years worth. I need to read up on it a little more… I’m actually interested to know whether anal penetration with toys was documented… I know they routinely used the same toys on each other during sex, but I haven’t seen anything yet that specifies whether vaginal only or vaginal/anal.

I did read they routinely used toys very roughly to the point of bleeding though…. but, that’s really not all *that* hard to do these days…

@Lurk….oh I do have a slight recollection of this… I didn’t remember the name “I love you” but thanks for putting it in context…I also kinda remember the whole Y2K fiasco @ Lacey… I must not have been very tech centered because its all such a vague memory…. must have been the 80’s…..lol … I did read about the reported Female-to-female transmission yesterday….apparently it’s usually hard to confirm…in this case the infected person hadn’t had sex with a man in 10 years and didn’t have any other risk factors other then a positive female partner.

Haha… this brings me back to the Y2K days.
I just remember being at some huge New Year’s Eve party and trying to drink as much as I could so if the technological world exploded or the world went up in flames or something, I would be too fucked up to care… I was too young to know any better.

But, I DO remember the “I Love You” virus!! That shit was crazy.

Damn? Wtf that doesn’t explain it..come on now tell the folks why Melissa was as popular as antibiotic resistant gonorrea 🙂

OMG geek that I am I forgot all about the I love you virus I was lost too….just damn lurk