Comments on: Shelley Lubben – “Pornography is modern day slavery for thousands of women…” https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Sat, 06 May 2017 10:33:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Hunter https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3964 Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:30:22 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3964 This has got to be one of the most hypocritical statements I’ve ever read. How is porn any more slavery than organized religion. This woman dictates what’s acceptable by a form of coercion via HER translation of a book, which is, by the way, merely a 17th century translation of portion of a collection of writings which were chosen (canonized) by a small group of men who left out the ones that didn’t suit their interests at the time. From what I’ve read on her various sites and seen in statements by her, she seems to preach the religion as “her way or hell”. I’ve been personally involved with religions of various types, and personally involved in lifestyles that Lubben deems as sinful (she contends that ANY sex outside of marriage is a sin). I’ve never been told what I HAD to do or accept in the lifestyle, never seen any women forced to obey someones else’ idea of what’s right and wrong. It’s all about freedom to choose what’s right for yourself as an individual. The same holds true in what little I’ve seen of the porn industry. I’ve never seen a girl forced to do anything she didn’t feel comfortable with, although I’m sure there are scumbags that will, I just don’t see it as the norm. Religion, on the other hand, can vary between each discipline and denomination, and even have great disagreements within the same denominations and regions. The one common thread among most of them is “We’re right. You’re wrong. And if you don’t agree and do as we say, you’re going to hell”. Isn’t that slavery?

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By: Goddess https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3962 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:17:25 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3962 You’re right, Steve, and I think this “victimhood” gives them an excuse to rationalize what they did because they just can’t or won’t admit they participated in porn willingly. I mean, who put the gun to their heads. Names! I need names!;)

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3957 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:13:19 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3957 Well said Alex and I think you hit the nail on the head….This biz is not for everyone i wouldn’t even say its good for most.

As an industry we tend to protect our own AFTER they are in but precious few look at that new and cute little girl looking to do her first porn and ask themselves am I about to harm this person by taking advantage of someone in a desperate situation.

Until porners can take some responsibility on the front end, the back end is always going to appear all bad to the rest of the world that doesnt understand the biz.

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By: rawalex https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3953 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:06:55 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3953 Mike, I sort of came to the conclusion that some people look at being religious and being in porn as polar opposites. For them, the cure for an overbearing Catholic family is to become a pornstar. The cure for being a pornstar is to be a born again Christian.

I also think that porn, like any other job, isn’t for everyone. Some girls (and guys) come into the industry and love it, they do well from it, and either ride it out to the finish or take the money and run. Others however come in and just don’t enjoy it. They started for the wrong reasons (often connected to extreme poverty, drug use, suitcase pimps, or a history of abuse) and will never be truly happy with what they are doing. Porn isn’t slavery, it’s their life choices that are enslaving them. Porn just happens to be perhaps the only publicly visible part of their internal strife, and as such, looks like what is holding them back. Reality is that they are often troubled people who need to find peace with themselves, not with porn.

The result? They “convert” to a religion that is suppose to make them feel better, give them a purpose, whatever – and everything to do with their past life was bad. The most public part again was the porn (not the drugs, the abusive relationships, or whatever evils were driving them). So porn is the evil thing, because they don’t have to face the rest of their evils in such a public way.

I love the comments on Wikipedia about Penny Flame. “She became sexually active at age 12. Although she practiced safe sex, she has explained that her sexual activity was a way for her to achieve emotional validation that she could not achieve with healthy relationships with others” and “She stayed in that industry because, as she explained, it allowed her to work only three days a week, and because it fueled the sexual addiction that underlined her disconnect from love. Having smoked marijuana daily since the age of 12 or 13, she eventually moved on to cocaine, which became intertwined with her sexual addictions.[9]”

That pretty much sums up many of the people who have wandered through the porn business. She is lucky only because she has found resolution to her problems by fixing herself, not by being blinded by religious zealots.

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By: stevelick https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3952 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:43:55 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3952 You said it perfectly Goddess. Women like Shelley Lubben and her victim posse do not represent the women I know in this industry. Women can’t strive for equality in life and then hold onto victimhood status when it comes to divorce and careers in porn.

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By: Goddess https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3951 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:35:58 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3951 I have no problem with people stating their opinions, but why do some folks have such an issue believing that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE some women are in porn because they want to be and because they enjoy sex?

I do believe there are women in porn who are fooling themselves. These would be the women who have to be drunk or high to participate. Don’t talk to me about how much you love sex. Your actions speak louder than your words.

But I also believe there are some women who are there because they genuinely WANT to be there and because they enjoy sex. Shelly needs to get over herself, and stop speaking as if she’s this expert on all things female/porn related.

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By: MikeSouth1226 https://mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shelley-lubben-pornography-is-modern-day-slavery-for-thousands-of-women-4337/#comment-3950 Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:22:28 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=4337#comment-3950 [New Post] Shelley Lubben – “Pornography is modern day slavery for thousands of women…” – via #twitoaster http://www.mikesouth.com/steve-lick/shel

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