Comments on: Finally A Real Advocate for Performers, and They are Showing That they are Serious! https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Thu, 11 Feb 2016 00:01:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28531 Thu, 11 Feb 2016 00:01:19 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28531 In reply to Entertainment Adult Union.

@EAU

Thank you for clarifying your intents. Creating an industry atmosphere where abuse isn’t tolerated is a tall order. It won’t be easy respectfully asserting union goals in the face of stakeholders aggressively defending their current business practices.

In some respects the union is in the same boat as many industry stakeholders trying to identify their needs, gaps, how to fill them, and juggling existing demands while doing their best to slap patches on the biggest leaks to keep their boat afloat. Passionate idealistic folks have the additional challenge of validating ‘Beats a blank’ efforts for the the laudable feats they are by smaller or less established orgs….especially when the same effort would be cause for a minimum standards deviation reprimand elsewhere.

The process of filling gaps with people & resources to meet regulatory demands while establishing organizational standards may temper/balance today’s demands with achieving tomorrow’s goals for everyone concerned. Good luck and best wishes for a successful inaugural meeting on Saturday.

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By: Entertainment Adult Union https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28529 Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:24:42 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28529 In reply to Entertainment Adult Union.

“Sharing Resources and Ideas”
We apologize if we made our comment seem as a t threat, that is not and was not our intentions. However, the statement was made as a statement of fact. We have been formed as a Union to protect the workers safety with every lawful means to do so. We respect talent agents, as much as we do the talent and we understand in every possible way, that talent are not always the easiest to deal with. Talent Agencies are just as much needed in the adult movie world as they are the main stream movie industry but the abuse of any talent for any reason will no longer be tolerated under any circumstances.

Also, We agree 100% we have places, in which this new found Union, has gaps in which it needs to fill for it to run properly. We appreciate with all our heart those who are backing our efforts in the change this industry so desperately needs, and are asking you to please join with us, this Saturday in Encino, CA or if your not in the los angels area we can provide you with the number to conference call in. This meeting is to share resources and ideas to help fill those gaps, and we need every ones help in doing so. So join with us! “Together WE are stronger!”

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By: Toby https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28528 Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:22:21 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28528 In reply to Entertainment Adult Union.

Two thumbs up. 🙂

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By: Entertainment Adult Union https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28527 Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:06:21 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28527 In reply to LurkingReader.

[email protected]

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28515 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:57:50 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28515 In reply to Karmafan.

@karmafan….hey that showed up under my post and we’re on the same side of this one for the most part 🙂

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28514 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:48:30 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28514 In reply to MikeSouth.

@BT

Stakeholders were still laughing and dismissing WGA until 1981 when they pulled off the three month strike. Off the top of my head I can name at least 20 powerful lobbying groups that were ridiculed as irrelevant till they weren’t.

The failed freelance writers groups a good one for IEAU to look into the history of for all the reasons you mentioned. Both industries are faced with the same dynamic….stakeholders want new fresh talent before they reach their goal of establishing themselves as a sustainable brand. Very different than the worldview of investing in proven track records.

I think the largest (established stable) producers would be willing to sign on before the independents & fly by night if the union is attracting a large base of new talent. That’s why I think it was a serious oops to threaten agents out of the gate.

The recent Model bill of rights changes by several company’s shows that OSHA and other regulatory efforts are having an effect. They aren’t offering pro-rated performance pay cuz they’re being nice…they want to avoid some seriously ugly wage law changes. They won’t care about a union unless the union is acting as an effective liaison and puts up when either side asks WIIFM (what’s in it for me)

The freelance writers group wanted a % of your income to support writers outside your geographic location…that won’t work in porn either. Even if they didn’t find you work but the benefits they offered offset the fees they asked you probably would have joined. AAA and AARP are powerful examples of voluntary membership ….the discounts offset the annual AAA
membership even if I never need a tow truck.

IEAU mentions a credit union with the focus on loans. Nice to have a friendly lender but they won’t stay friendly if the borrowers can’t pay it back. I’d focus on personal checking/savings and merchant processing and leave the SBA lending type stuff to those already doing it instead of opening the door to another adversarial competition.

Whatever happens every service or task the union aspires to offer is rooted in adversarial competition. This is true even with its most ardent supporters who will have to push other things aside to make room for the union.

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By: Karmafan https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28513 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:32:41 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28513 In reply to chrisl.

I don’t remember you posting here and now you show up trying to knock down the union. Hidden Agenda?

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28512 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:00:02 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28512 In reply to MikeSouth.

@MikeSouth

Lol got interrupted between starting my comment & hitting post button so didn’t see this. Feels a bit like showing up to the party wearing the same dress 🙂

PS I tried to be nice, didn’t mention OLMS or other stuff cuz well wanted to avoid stooping to the short bus window licker place this guy came from.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28511 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:51:50 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28511 In reply to chrisl.

@chrisl

Do you have a regular habit of summarizing other people’s work and presenting it as your own opinion? Or is this some sort of special grudge?

Please provide substantiation to back your claims along with qualifications to convince me your advise is worth as much as the Charmin promptly flushed down the commode after an ass wiping,
***Sham?? have you been bilked by this organization?
***Ill conceived? As in poorly designed or malignant intent?
***Underfunded? Do tell what does it take to get a union started and where did IEAU disclose any sort of proposed budgets?
****No legal backing? The organization as an entity or the agent license threat?
****No clear cut plan for success? How many unions or worker programs have you successfully created?
****Led/promoted by a person with no history of project success??
Are you going to bash FSC for hiring Eric Paul Leue too? ICYMI his qualification claims are a failed attempt to remove Weinstein as head of AHF.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/reader-mail/finally-a-real-advocate-for-performers-and-they-are-showing-that-they-are-serious-13143/#comment-28510 Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:14:24 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13143#comment-28510 In reply to chrisl.

I will let my readers take this one…..It’s obvious to me where this is coming from and as for facts, you don’t have any you are parroting a WAY lesser site. It is better conceived than The FSC to be sure, it seems pretty well funded to me, it has the legal backing of any union approved by the Federal government as a union and the plan for success depends on performers not being lazy and not shrugging it off as “it’ll never work” as you would have them do.

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