Comments on: Should Gay People Be Allowed To Be As Miserable as Straight People https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:53:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: origen01 https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7885 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:12:47 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7885 In reply to MikeSouth.

The problem with that, Mike, (as Brenda alluded to below) is that marriage is fundamentally a CIVIC institution and not a religious one. Atheists believe in marriage too and want their marriage recognized–not simply by their fellow atheistic sectarians but by society as a whole.

As for taking away the right to marriage from everyone and replacing them with titles of domestic partnerships–that’s just backward.

There some “marriages” that need to be restricted because of negative social effects. Incest and polygamy fall into those categories. Gay marriage does not. Show me the research that most polygamous unions are not correlated with higher levels of female subjugation and emotional abuse and they’ll be next in line to be given the right.

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By: mharris127 https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7882 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:18:18 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7882 In reply to jilted.

I am straight but I would like to take a guess at how homosexual marriage is consumated. I think men fuck each other up the ass while women eat each other out. For the record I am against same sex marriage on the grounds that marriage is a Christian sacrament and we have no business interfering with religious matters. Give them civil unions but don’t change the definition of marriage. Same sex couples should receive the same benefits that married couples receive and each state should have a mechanism to prove that they are loving couples and intend to be in a civil union. Civil unions should also be an option for opposite sex couples that do not believe in the Christian God.

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By: Alex Bettinger https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7869 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:51:29 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7869 In reply to MikeSouth.

Yes, ultimately the very notion of trying to incentivize certain behaviors through things like the tax code (e.g., by giving tax benefits to married persons not available to single individuals) is just pure folly. Probably the government should have little if any business trying to incentivize ANY behaviors. Just punish criminal behavior and leave everything else up to the people.

Well, we can dream at least.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7865 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:28:01 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7865 Actually all of those things are already addressed in our legal system, medical power of attorneys, DNRs, Been in a hospital lately? They actually ask you for all that stuff, you may also have a patient advocate with you and its anyone you appoint. and yes if marriage is an ideological construct then churches may administer it as they see fit.

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By: brendachicago https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7864 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:35:35 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7864 Imagine someone you have been with for 25 yrs, they are rushed to the hospital. They are in the icu dying , you arent allowed in or talk to the doctor about their care because you arent family. Its not simple. The government has to be in the business of marriage because who else is going to license it. You are going to have churches control it? If you dont believe in our god then sorry for you no wedding for you. There are also legal documents, when you think rationally it makes sense.

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By: Alex Bettinger https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7862 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:36:39 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7862 In reply to jilted.

For whatever it’s worth–probably little–I can say without any hesitation that I feel that my heterosexual relationships with women are no different than the relationships between homosexual men. If, that is, by “different” you mean different in terms of the *validity* of the sexual, mental, and emotional connections. Of course, every relationship is different–some are deep and meaningful, some are not. But sexual orientation has nothing to do with that.

You seem so sure homosexual relationships are different (in some non-trivial way) from heterosexual ones. What makes you such an expert on homosexual relationships anyway?

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By: rawalex https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7861 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 05:27:45 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7861 Fuck the right to marriage, these people need to be forced to the pain of divorce, bad taxation, and custody agreements. It would be a wakeup call for many who have gone through their lives with a few different “partners” – having to actually divorce them instead of just walking away would certainly change their views of the world.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7859 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:57:25 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7859 In reply to artwilliams.

Art that is exactly right its simple and it works while you might argue that there is some difference there should be NO legal difference. Thats why I love my readers…yall are smart. let the church get mired up in the whole marriage thing, our government has much more important issues at hand.

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By: jilted https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7858 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:31:39 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7858 In reply to artwilliams.

@artwilliams
You hit the nail right on the head. Only problem is, your solution is brilliant, and simple, therefore the politicians wont touch it with a ten foot pole.

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By: artwilliams https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/should-gay-people-be-allowed-to-be-as-miserable-as-straight-people-7385/#comment-7856 Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:49:09 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7385#comment-7856 Great post Mike! What society really needs is Registered Domestic Partnerships for all and leave the marriage part for the churches.

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