Comments on: How Safe Is Porn Really and What Will We Do About IT? https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Tue, 11 Jul 2023 10:32:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: BT https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28622 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:21:27 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28622 I think there’s something else going on in porn that is just as bad for the overall health of performers – or falls into that “we eat our young and spit them out” category – which is the increasing roughness and violence around scenes. I think its analogous to what’s happening in pro football as the level of physical violence and intensity ratchets up – careers are shorter for positions like running back, linebacker and wide receiver, who are on the receiving ends of that physicality, and the post-career impacts on health are greater.

As a fan, this has been on my mind for some time. I like facials, I like watching anal, not a big fan of DP, but do enjoy the right DP scene. If you think about the Golden Age, they did all of those things, but a typical sex scene was 5 to 7 minutes long once people got naked, the foreplay started and the pop shot ended (about how long it took a raincoater to jack off in a dark theater). There was a lot of build up to sex, so the amount of pile driving, jack hammering sex was limited – especially in anal.

Now, think about a gonzo scene – typical is 15 to 30 minutes of hard sex. Let’s face it – I don’t care how many positions you’re in – watching the same cock go into the same mouth, pussy or ass for 20 minutes gets pretty old. So, we have all that slapping, spitting, gaping, and verbal abuse. Personally, it turns me off but I realize there’s a hard core fan base for it.

But, it has another impact, and that’s what I got thinking about the other day after reading an interview with Ryan Conner about her comeback. I loved watching her back in the day. The scenes she’s doing now have been just too harsh for my taste. In the interview, she was asked what’s different about before and now, and she talked about how hard the scenes are and the wear and tear they were taking on her.

This really is a First Amendment issue – directors and producers can direct and produce what they want within a few pretty broad limits and far be it from me to tell them what to do. Moreover, I guess if your fan base wants to see prolaxed rectums, double anal, and girls who look like hell after the scene – and you’ve got any number of actresses willing to subject themselves to that abuse for a paycheck – God bless. But it’s going to shorten the careers of the women who provide us enjoyment. Women are not sexual athletes – you can’t lift weights or do aerobic training to strengthen your vagina and anus. They’re only going to take so much wear and tear.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28621 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:24:48 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28621 In reply to mharris127.

@mharris

Wade through the linked plan outlining USA five year plan to help the global need to address drug resistance…then let us know if you still stand by “If we want to make porn we must accept the current VD rates within it, testing reduces the cases of VD greatly but there isn’t a reasonable manner of further reducing or eliminating VD in porn short of not producing it at all”

Pay close attention to ecoli, salmonella & shigella …look at the numbers compared to NGC aka gonorrhea. Whoa! WTF clusters of 100 Norovirus are front page news, fifty e-coli spread over eight states make headlines with each new case and salmonella ice cream shuttered the plants …maybe for good.

American people eat more than they fuck which explains our astronomical obesity, diabetes & heart disease rates…can you explain why all reportable food-borne disease combined from any source is less than segregated reportable STD?

Cattle ranchers, shippers, slaughter houses etc know all about ‘reasonable’ compromise between mad cow disease and consumer demands. There was no decade of stalling criminal consequences or civil suits with ugly punitive damages.

Limiting condom rash to asking if prior BV was ruled out …sometimes industry arguments make me wish for a fetish site with rigged water troughs to strap down anyone spouting condom rash before ramming cattle prods up asses while whipping them till they utter the safe word. 😉 not picking on you mharris just too annoyed with …we like porn so it’s okay to jeopardize performer health now, tomorrow or forever crap.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/national_action_plan_for_combating_antibotic-resistant_bacteria.pdf

Side note: UC Irvine got five million from initiative to push ahead on rapid testing process for bloodstream bacteria.

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By: xxx https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28620 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:47:03 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28620 In reply to nvm.

@nvm I personally don’t believe herpes is no big deal. My comment stated that when the first suppressant drug was manufactured, sales were lack luster due to the the general public’s apathy on the subject. The point of my comment was that it isn’t a surprise that industry performers have herpes, many without realizing it, because it is already so common among the general population that most docs won’t order a test for it without special request to do so. They assume you have it anyway, and it isn’t always easy to detect because of viral loads, as Mr. South mentioned with HIV. As for the social stigma against people with herpes, it may have existed to a certain extent to begin with, but as I previously stated this stigma was popularized by drug companies to up the sales of their medications.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28619 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 06:09:17 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28619 In reply to nvm.

@nvm
Herpetic meningitis isn’t real nice either ….even when they catch it in time to avoid post-Mortim diagnosis.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28618 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 06:01:38 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28618 In reply to MikeSouth.

Our youngest is allergic to sulfa & penicillin…that leaves erythromiacin. Branded as Biaxin, and z-packs.

The overuse risk isn’t limited to something they do get its an invitation to get the things docs use it to avoid. Because Kati used erythromiacin exclusively for all the usual ear infections & colds kids get the docs used IV vancomycin instead of the usual much lower dosage antibiotic for outpatient surgery, five years later they used something even stronger when she had a c-section out of concern she’d begun developing the resistance docs warned us about when she was a baby and the increased risk of inpatient hospital acquired crud.

if a performer is using antibiotics casually and goes for a boob job or any other invasive procedure they’ll want to tell their surgeon….the antibiotics they’ve been using might still work against CT or GC but it’s not smart to risk a nasty surgical infection.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28617 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:30:07 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28617 In reply to MikeSouth.

@mikesouth

“One A list performer told me that her porn days are done, all she does now is escort and she is adamant about condoms only, and since doing so she has made way more money and not had a single STD,”

For comparison purposes let’s make a bunch of assumptions here. She is spending $300 a month on the industry test protocol and willing to do condom only shoots to promote her escort business….she has no reason or incentive to take meds to beat the test.

She is an IC who earns enough to cover her business and living expenses. Let’s also assume she has enough experience and confidence to tell a client GFY unless you’re suiting up with this condom as agreed.

Even if she was willing to do a bareback film to market/promote her escort brand her prostitution isn’t adding to the problem, nor would she have a reason to take meds to beat a film stakeholder paid test.

Compare her to a new performer with her ID to prove she’s 18 years and four days old, excited burning up her phone minutes bragging she got an agent who put her up in a model house and she’s gonna be a star!

She does her first scene for $1000, owes $150 agent fee, $155 test, $180 rent, $50 driver, $200 pics and $250 the nice agent advanced her cuz the producer pays ten days out. Six days in she’s down to 20 minutes on her phone, leaving irate messages for agent she wants the $600 he owes her and where are all these booking he promised?

Agent calls back WTF I don’t owe you $600 details the expenses and says if you leave house today I’ll give the $35 when the production check gets here. Reality sets in she’s bawling, can’t get a film but he can set her up with an escort client. She tells agent okay mandatory condom, she gets there client tells her his card was charged for a bareback GFE and agent isn’t returning either of their calls.

Six days later she has $40 cash owes rent, can’t afford her test and loves her her nice agent cuz he booked a scene and is gonna front her test money….her housemate tells her the guy at the party has cooties for $20 she can fix it before her test, or test dirty pay to retest after paying for an office visit at the other clinic to get the script for the same meds big pharma makes the pharmacy charge $100 and the driver isn’t free either.

Her body…her choice? Is beside the point of reasoned incentive TO spend her last cash on valtrex, antibiotics and a nice douche to flush out the brewing BV that isn’t the herpes her housemate said happens to everybody in porn.

Now assume the client took pity on her used a condom and the party with cooties guy was hosted by producer who might book her if he meets her…and did book her as long as she shows up clean on the FSC-PASS database.

The industry testing scheme is set up to incentivize prophylactic med use. As long as performers are paying for their tests they have every reason and incentive to circumvent the test instead of modifying their off screen risks.

This dynamic isn’t exclusive to porn. Produce farms think it’s good to let pickers shit in the field…cheaper than buying and spreading fertilizer 😉

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By: nvm https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28616 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 03:07:22 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28616 In reply to xxx.

@XXX That is clearly an oversimplification of herpes. Did you know that a 2002 meta-analysis2 of nine studies that documented HSV-2 infection before HIV acquisition found that having herpes doubled the risk of subsequently catching HIV. Genital herpes may cause painful genital ulcers that can be severe and persistent in persons with suppressed immune systems. There can be can be considerable embarrassment, shame, and stigma associated with a herpes diagnosis that can substantially interfere with a person’s relationships.

Herpes not a big deal, my ass!

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28615 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 02:41:59 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28615 In reply to Karmafan.

Exactky I had MRSA…got it in a hospital when I was taking care of my mom who had shoulder surgery..3 weeks later I had what I thought was a cyst or something on my knee..it was the size of half a baseball, doctor sent my ass directly to the hospital where I spent 4 hrs getting IV antibiotics she said I was lucky cuz it was very close to being in my bloodstream….6 months later a small one appeared again near my shouolder…that time i knew and went straight to the dr who put me on the antibiotics and gave me all kinds of prescription stuff to wash my fingernails with 3 times a day the idea was to clear it out of my system…must have worked cuz its been over 6 years with no more problems…knock on wood.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28614 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 02:36:43 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28614 In reply to xxx.

I have a piece coming up on this but it is not going to appear until after and article in a major magazine comes out..I made a promise and will keep it but there’s some really dirty shit going on with AVN and James Deen

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/mike-south-commentary/how-safe-is-porn-really-and-what-will-we-do-about-it-13186/#comment-28613 Thu, 25 Feb 2016 02:33:57 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13186#comment-28613 I usually dont chime in here because I have already said my 2 cents but I am with you guys this is just unacceptable and for the life of me I cant understand why, as an industry, we can’t seem to do anything to even try to fix it. Self medicating with antibiotics is insane but it appears to be even beyond rampant in porn circles…but I kind get it I mean performers will do anything to keep working and that means they have to have a clean test…20 bucks and they pretty much more tham halve the chance that they will test positive….and while I agree that prostitution adds to the problem but what really makes that worse is that these performers have been conditioned to believe that it is safe to have unprotected sex with anyone who has a two week old test…as an industry we have to own that shit too…Its just insane….One A list performer told me that her porn days are done, all she does now is escort and she is adamant about condoms only, and since doing so she has made way more money and not had a single STD, her first month in porn she got 3….I believe that an industry the size of ours CAN do better, maybe I am naive…

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