“I strongly suspect his whole complaint is filled with lies and outright libel (I wish I could prove it). ”

It shows and with friends like you Derek Hay doesn’t need enemies.

This complaint is an administrative process… not a civil suit or criminal prosecution. Speculation about his insurance coverage changes nothing I said. Even if your fantasy could be a reality to make this case go away … a different attorney has also filed a complaint.

“Lurk, if you are correct than Dr. Gelbard is using these ladies to further his own ends”

ummmm lawyers file and answer complaints to make money..that’s sorta the whole point of their job. I think Gelbard is using this case to advocate his current and prospective clients best interests..the same way Derek Hay’s lawyers will advocate his best interests.

“Any forcible change to how porn does business will run the industry to another state or country. ”

Since Freeman the porn industry has used a cloak of legitimacy to shield itself from criminal prosecution and that legitimacy has also been used to legitimize prostitution revenues. Now the business of porn is facing another hurdle aka rough patch in the process of legitimizing prostitution.

Seriously stop looking at this like a bad thing for Derek Hay (agents) and see where it can go in the efforts to legalize prostitution. I won’t cry if legalizing prostitution is bad for Derek Hay because it’s good for the workers on the front lines.

Also, I refer to Charlotte et. al. as defendants above. I screwed up there, they are plaintiffs, Derek is the defendant. I had a senior moment, I guess.

Allan Gelbard is not a shakedown atty. He is on record trying to legalize prostitution.

https://esplerp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Brief-of-Amici-Curiae-First-Amendment-Lawyers-Assn-Woodhull-Freedom-Foundation.pdf

This isn’t something Derek Hay can make go away by paying off the plaintiffs. Even if he knows who they all are any settlement offers have to go through their attorney who has no doubt explained that this is not a quick process and could take ten years or more before it reaches a conclusion.

Said it before …saying it again
” Derek Hay is the name on this complaint but it isn’t about him or the unnamed plaintiffs; it’s about keeping it simple going after one agency. ”

This is about changing the way the industry operates and the laws in place that facilitate exploitation of legitimate workers.

Also, maybe you need to get laid more often, Hop. Your vitriol toward me shows that you probably haven’t had any since the Carter Administration. Aaliyah Love, Elena Koshka, Lena Paul and Shae Celestine are cute as hell, book yourself in a scene with one of them and get laid for once! If you are into big tits Angela White and Alex Chance have nice, natural GGG tits — book them, cast yourself as male talent and suck on some titty while fucking their pussies! Even better yet, cast yourself as a submissive in a scene with Mona Wales or Maitresse Madeline and let her do as she may. We all need to have some fun from time to time. Enjoy that AAA rated pussy (or in the case of Madeline her overly tatted, FFF rated pussy — her tattoo artist needs to be tarred, feathered and run out of the US)! 🙂

There is no ‘rape’ charge filed to be proven true.

You’re so fixated on ‘rape’ you’re missing the big picture….Allan Gelbard is using the Labor Commission the same way OSHA was used to find facts for use in civil suits against KINK.

The LC (Labor Commissioner) process can do a lot more damage than awarding Plaintiffs moneys owed, impose fines and yank Agency licenses…
they find facts that can be appealed by either side and moved onto the civil/criminal process as established fact with a higher burden to dispute. This complaint is written to try and establish facts related to human trafficking …a much bigger concern than your fictional rape charges.

“This Petition concerns an talent agent in the adult entertainment industry who has exploited his position of power to abuse his clients both emotionally, financially and sexually.”

“Most egregiously, he coerces some of his performers into “escorting” and then, should they seek to terminate their (illegal) contracts, threatens to “out” them for performing illegal sex-work. As alleged herein, and as shall be demonstrated at the hearing on this matter, he has violated not less than five sections of the California Talent Agencies Act, as well as numerous other state and federal statutes, some of which being beyond the scope of this Commission’s jurisdiction. Petitioners hereby reserve these claims for subsequent litigation.”

Times have changed since 2010 when AHF went after nine agencies for health & safety found on page 10 of this complaint.

“37. No talent agency shall send or cause to be sent, any artist to any place where the health, safety, or welfare of the artist could be adversely affected, the character of which place the talent agency could have ascertained upon reasonable inquiry. CA Labor Code, § 1700.33”

What was once the primary focus of a complaint against nine agencies is now fourth of twelve causes of action against a specific Agency. Derek Hay is the name on this complaint but it isn’t about him or the unnamed plaintiffs; it’s about keeping it simple going after one agency.

Consider it legal bowling …this complaint is the ball aiming for the 1 pin looking for the strike….this is an ongoing game with the potential to affect the entire industry and it will drag on for years with many venues hosting the various playoffs before a winner is declared.