I won’t throw my monitor across the room or shove it up Eric Leue’s ass, I promise. I think you saw from my post that I am very sceptical of the whole thing. Researching this issue is just bringing up even more issues IMO. I need to read more on this one but I think it is safe to say that Truvada and bi-weekly antibiotic injections aren’t going to magically eliminate VD. The latter probably would cause more harm than good. I still think because of the vast issues that are caused by women getting knocked up on set (thankfully it isn’t an epidemic) that all female performers should be on birth control or get their tubes tied and preferably all male performers get clipped but evidently the law needs to change before that can be forced. I am not convinced that HIV transmission would increase with mandatory birth control because the incidence of it is extremely low in the biz anyway but it is an issue that needs to be carefully considered. The fact that at least a significant percentage of female performers would kill the kid if they became pregnant on set (and the fact that even one baby could bankrupt a production company and create a lot of inconvenience to both female and male talent) likely overrides the theoretically increased risk of HIV from birth control because killing an innocent person is much worse than someone getting a now treatable HIV infection from porn and (hopefully) having made an informed decision. However, I would like to see what percentage the risk is increased and what the industry can reasonably do to mitigate that (condom required is not reasonable IMO for reasons I have written about many times and it likely wouldn’t even reduce VD transmission in porn). I need to know more before making up my mind, if the increased risk of HIV from birth control is one percent I would call it a wash, if it is 200% I would rethink my position.

@mharris

“Jared Baeten, vice chair of global health at the University of Washington and one of the investigators of the PARTNERS PrEP prevention trial and demonstration project, said that their studies have shown that Truvada has virtually eliminated HIV acquisition in women in their studies. So Gardnerella may not impact the protection women get from oral PrEP”

Before you toss your monitor across the room consider study inclusion criteria. This PARTNER PrEP study included women on PrEP with HIV+ partners taking meds. The study participants were told condoms were included in proper use of PrEP and were asked at each follow-up whether they used condoms or not… most did not. Beaten’s study did not take or test vaginal samples. He was just saying there is more research needed on the vaginal microbiome before any specific cause is identified.

I read the PBS article you linked, Lurk. It is very interesting — there is a theory that BV can increase HIV transmission in vaginal sex. How many porn chickies use makeup sponges to absorb blood during their period and forget to remove it or have it get stuck in her vagina directly after a scene — according to Sharon Mitchell quite a few did during her tenure at AIM. For the record makeup sponges aren’t appropriate for the task, porn chickies need to use natural sea sponges, they absorb much more blood and don’t get stuck in the vagina so readily — cut a piece off about the size of an apricot, rinse in very hot water (boil them for 60 seconds or so if possible), squeeze the water out and use for up to two hours.

They also theorize that antibiotic use can increase HIV transmission. I already knew that, it reduces the good bacteria along with the bad. Puts a spin on the Fucking Stupid Cocksuckers trying to make talent take an antibiotic injection every other fucking week — another reason that is stupid and asinine!

A link to another PBS article showed up when I loaded the first one: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bacteria-stoking-hiv-cases-blocking-hiv-treatment/ . The article states that for PrEP to work women cannot miss even one dose whereas gay men can possibly get by with four doses per week (although I certainly would not recommend gay men purposely skipping doses of Truvada). Another study found that PrEP can almost completely reduce HIV infection in women taking the drug. Studies contradicting each other (my scanning of other articles surmised differently, I need to read them thoroughly like I did these two articles) — really fucking nice. This makes me want to take my computer monitor and shove it up someone’s ass (and that would be difficult as it is a 24 inch monitor).

Thanks, Lurk. I have several articles bookmarked to read and will read this one as well. Unfortunately the scholarly articles I found charge for download (one cost $31.50 for one day of access — screw them) but I did find several summaries that I need to take a close look at (I should have done it last night but I got distracted with something else). The gist of what I saw on a first read is about what you said, PrEP doesn’t work very well with women and birth control can theoretically increase the risk of HIV transmission (my next question is how much of an increase is HIV transmission in women taking hormonal birth control — if it is less than 1-2% IMO the issue is moot). The next question is why and what can be done about it to make it work that is reasonable for the adult film industry. This is a one thing might take most of a day (or even a week) because of other issues that need researching.

@mharris

Long but worth reading. Lots of good tid-bits that came out of annual HIV/aids conference this summer if you’re still researching.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/uncovering-female-body-secret-protection-against-hiv/

LurkingReader – points well made. The “talking points” are just that – talking points. Before going into court, the industry argued all kinds of nonsense, including the contention that the use of condoms would actually lead to the spread of STDs (despite the fact that we have years of experience in the Nevada brothels to the contrary).

The only of those talking points argued in court was that the testing system worked – and the court rejected that.

@mharris

‘Anecdotal’ (adjective) ‘not necessarily true or reliable, based on personal accounts rather than facts or research’

Said it before & saying it again….. if these anecdotal industry talking points had any merit FSC would have spent their researcher money proving it and presenting facts. FSC hires researchers to question study methodology & data…. would be a good strategy if regulatory agencies & courts didn’t keep ruling against FSC. FSC record in the dueling experts game is dismal at best.

BT, I suppose everyone has their price for a given act — I will concede that any female performer would probably use a condom in a porn scene — for a billion US dollars. It is unrealistic to expect any porn producer to pay that price, though. Otherwise I guess we are going to have to disagree on this one. I think we might get to find out how many female performers are willing to use condoms in porn scenes for standard pay rates shortly as a few producers may attempt to remain in California when the (condom) shit hits the fan. From what has been said by the performers themselves I suspect not many will — at least not on a regular basis.

For the record Veronica Avluv has almost too many Kink scenes to count, I come up with 36 from a simple search of their site. I happen to like BDSM anyway but I still don’t see the problem here. However, as I said I don’t have a pussy and haven’t performed in any porn scenes so I can only go on what those that do have one and perform in porn regularly claim on the “condom rash” argument. The concept does make sense, though — at least to anyone that has ever had a carpet burn on his/her knees after vigorous fucking on the living room carpet as the concept is very similar.

“Some performers have said that ….” Some performers have said just about everything you can imagine, until someone offers them enough money.

“For the record most performers don’t do DPs, multiple man blow bangs, gag fucking, cum licking (or swallowing for that matter) …..” MHarris, sorry, but as that sports guy used to say on the Today Show, “Roll the video tape.”

Lisa Ann used to say that she would never do anal. At the height of her career, she did anal, DP, double anal and once expelled cum from her ass following an anal cream pie and licked it up. She was arguably the most popular porn star on the planet at the time.

Julia Ann has done anal, DP, double anal and blow bangs. Arguably one of the most recognizable porn stars still performing.

Jesse Jane went years without doing anal – and now, she does anal, has done a blow bang and just filmed a scene where she licks up Manuel’s cum from a glass table. Arguably the most recognizable name in porn.

Dani Daniels has not done anal, but performs regularly for Kink. Possibly the most popular of the next generation.

If you go on Naughty America, there’s a solo scene with Ava Addams where she chides the folks watching her show who are asking her to put her finger or a dildo in her ass. She says: Stop asking. I don’t do that! Of course, that was before she started doing anal and DPs.

Mia Malkova started off not doing anal – until she started doing anal and she’s done multiple guy blow bangs.

I don’t know if Veronica Avluv has done Kink, but she’s done pretty much everything else you can think of from DP to double anal to squirt to blow bangs to swallowing.

Now that Cheri DeVille is doing anal – and with some regularity – I think Nicole Anniston is perhaps the only major name that doesn’t do anal.

So, is it true that not everyone does it? Of course. But think of a major name who doesn’t have anal and/or DP in her repertoire and look at how fast the newcomers in the industry go to their first anal scene.

Some performers have said that, BT. Whether they are telling the truth I can’t say but since I can’t read their minds and they haven’t been proven liars (most of them, anyway) I will take them at their word. Casey Calvert for one said (paraphrased) she would likely perform in fewer scenes if she were required to use condoms a couple of years ago for the very reasons I state. I don’t have a pussy but from my research over the years abrasions (or electric shocks for that matter) inside a woman’s pussy likely hurt much more than a slap to the breast or the outside of a pussy (just like someone crushing your dick with whatever is available hurts more than crushing a hand or foot). It is well known that a woman’s pussy (and a man’s dick for that matter) has many more nerve endings (which transmit pain signals to the brain) than the breast or outer crotch of that same woman.

For the record most performers don’t do DPs, multiple man blow bangs, gag fucking, cum licking (or swallowing for that matter), get hog tied, ball gagged, groped by San Francisco strangers or cattle prodded (FYI the “cattle prod” used on a Kink set just looks like the farm implement but only provides a very small shock unlike what you are thinking of, Kink directors aren’t buying farm cattle prods to use on set — if they were multiple porn performers would be dying of electrical shock on their sets). The part of the industry doing BDSM might be willing to accept the extra pain and remain in the biz with a condom requirement, I don’t know.

Hop, thanks for the all points bulletin but I found my mind this afternoon in Traverse City. It was busy getting fucked by a high-class hooker but is now home. My mind has a trip planned tomorrow to an undisclosed location — maybe I will see you and your mind being arrested for being an ass. Now go fuck yourself and take a poorly lubed, condom-clad dick up your ass for 45 minutes straight. 🙂