@jilted

As a parent I chose to dress my girls in modest clothing. We frequented hotels with public pools and required the girls to wear their matching suit cover ups as well as shoes to protect their feet. I never ran into the pool to cover their asses when they picked the slide wedgie out….but often watched the eyes roll as moms did this..Like uh okay lady whatever..now if she were standing at the bottom of the slide photographing random toddler asses while waiting for hers…I’d prolly forget it isn’t okay to smash cameras in faces.

If someone is snapping pics at the pool, theme park or bus making a collection of attractive people…more power to them. I’ll tell ya right now that there are folks who stand at the bottom of tall water park slides just to snap pics…it’s no different than lining up a prime viewing location to snap images of parade floats.

This law is like a photo-pick pocket law. wallet on a bench…it’s fair game vs reaching into a pocket purse or bag. Reaching under a skirt, hiding under bleachers or jostling to create opportunities…are now a much more fair game between those who want to and those who don’t want to let them. That is the goal of any law or policy.

Agree this issue is peeping which has its own niches…kids, girls, boys, fat, skinny, men, women, 20-40 silver set and even geriatrics.

A girl wearing a belt skirt and g-string likely wouldn’t cry privacy over the ass & more photos she is offering the world, however if a camera were shoved down her conservative v neck imaging her bra-less breasts she chose to keep private, there is no longer an assumption that displaying her ass also allows access to her covered boobs.

Personal responsibility isn’t vulnerability immunity, nor is it a license to impose that ideal onto the next person.

As a parent this lesson is humbling especially when it comes to fashion sense and teenagers…I can recall hiding my gym bloomers…lol the nasty ass green romper with elastic arms and legs that snapped every half inch..In favor of my new nylon shorts. Of course the gym teacher gave me the lecture but she didn’t understand..gym was last class…my boyfriend was in town and we made plans for him to wait for me 🙂 trust me in ten years if your son wants to wear his jeans below his ass…all the dress codes you or the school impose are gone the second he can loosen the belt a couple notches. Doesn’t make them irresponsible, makes them teenagers.

The gym bloomers is funny because those nylon shorts I favored were the very same type shorts required by Florida dept of ed for my girls. Cheer uniforms are required to be a certain length from the knee and hip or your team loses competition points…still didn’t stop some girls from trying to hitch Em up…nor did the regulation length prevent the leering stares of pervs and/or judgmental assholes. Football injuries we learned are a pervs opportunity to capture the moment garments are cut away for first aid purposes…that huddle to protect the kid from at large viewership..opened the door to paranoia by some “responsible” folk with over active spider senses.

Asking if folks are okay with it if it were their kid is a useless measure beyond possibly finding like-minded associates. Pedos and pervs have a spider sense too and not one of them would out themselves to me because it isn’t my thing. Aside from the fact that being attracted to three year olds kinda sucks when they grow so fast…easier to groom available kids than waiting three years for the next one to hatch.

If anyone asked my dad if he’d be okay with me going into porn…he’d tell them straight up..only if she wants to. I respect that honesty a lot more than the germ phobic family who insists that cake candles be “waved out” vs blown out and tried to require recipe cards for “allergy awareness” at every pot luck. Their oldest is now in jail for raping a co-ed, proving my point that imposing your ideals on someone else isn’t personal responsibility.

The problem is that, in a legal sense, he does have that right to take the pictures, like it or not. I may contact the police to come and have a chat with him about it, but honestly, what can you do? It’s a public place, not a private one.

See, you are trying to set up the most extreme situation as a way to choke off the rest of it. But it doesn’t work. You can’t have a “don’t take a picture of a child in public, even by accident” rule, because then there would be a push for a “don’t take a picture of a celeb in public” or “don’t take a picture of a criminal” and so on. Public is public, sad but true.

There are already laws on the books when it comes to dealing with pedos, they are most often not properly applied or enforced, or are only enforced after something terrible happens. As I said before, if someone is going to extremes to take a picture (such as climbing under a grandstand or as one idiot did hiding inside a porta-potty) then the law can handle that directly as it is. There is no need to try to change the laws on photography in public places to try to nail the exceptional cases, it should be handled in different ways by criminalizing the intent or the goal, not the particular action.

When your argument is “think of the children!” it sounds like the first step towards a grandstanding politician passing a law that won’t pass constitutional muster.

@raw,,,I know you dont condone the behavior,,,and what adults do is their own business,,,,,but as we all know,,,this type of crap is not limited to adults

What about the perv at the park who takes pictures of the kids playing on the swings, or kids at the beach in their bathing suits….would you argue that these kids are out in public and therefore the person has the right to take their picture? Or as a parent, would you shove that camera up his ass and take a picture of his tonsils from the inside?

“this question usually ends the debate pretty quick”.

Not really, because at that point the issue isn’t “peeping”, it’s an issue of a pedophile. it’s on par with saying “People die from taking Meth, so weed must be bad” – it’s misleading and has little to do with the real world issues.

Moreover, let’s be clear here. As the parent of a young child, I am very much aware and have my spider sense turned up full when he is in public places or around people I don’t know. I am aware that there always pervs out there who would enjoy playing with a little boy, so I do my part as a RESPONSIBLE ADULT to try not to put him in places or situations that will put him at risk. I cannot control the actions or thoughts of others, but I can certainly try to avoid the issue.

In the same manner, as I said, the issue of down blouse or upskirt shots in part has to do with people being RESPONSIBLE ADULTS – why the heck do girls feel the need to wander around in public with their panties on full display or their tits hanging out? If they do it, they should not be surprised if in a public place someone snaps a pic or takes a video, if you want to be a show off, you get what comes with it.

Remember, I don’t defend the behavior, I only note that for the most part it takes two to tango. Permitting your teenage daughter to parade around in a jean skirt the size of a belt with g-strings on is only going to cause issues. Pedos and pervs would have nothing to look at if people were taking care themselves. I know, don’t blame the victim and all, but still – taking some responsibility would be nice.

@raw

Totally agree with you that random physical harm crosses the line which is why I promise NOT to do it. Since it grabbed your attention I made my point…absolutely enjoy what’s intentionally offered to public participants but don’t blame folks who get pissed when what they didn’t offer is taken.

Not sure balance is lacking in modern society or the myriad cultures in totality. IG this law forces those who expect privacy to define and protect that line while allowing freedom to those who wish to record what’s put on display. The fact that some will continue surreptitious recording is offset by those who will accuse and blame folks for recording their wardrobe malfunctions or poor positioning…and further balanced by common courtesy lacking in those two extremes.

@rawalex,,,”Can be seen with the naked eye, unaided by technology” Thats alot different than using a microcamera on your shoe to look up a dress.

But to anyone who defends this type of behavior I have one simple question,,,,Would you defend the person doing this if it was your 10 year old daughter who was the victim? This question usually ends the debate pretty quickly.

I dislike the idea of guys sticking cameras up a girls skirt or putting hidden cameras on their shoes for a better angle, but at the same time so much of what is “public voyeur” is what can be seen with the naked eye, unaided by technology. It should come as no shock to a lady that a man will stare at her well displayed cleavage or her tiny little panties up her skirt if she so presents them in a way that anyone can see.

Balance… it’s a wonderful thing lacking in modern society.