Comments on: California Assembly Bill 332 (AB332) Condoms In Porn https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Fri, 07 Jul 2023 06:02:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: richard373 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7375 Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:08:09 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7375 Sorry about that Mike I did mean reap my self feel cut way part where repeat.

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By: Alex Bettinger https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7368 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:08:47 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7368 In reply to flr666.

You have badly misunderstood my argument. I do not claim that condoms cannot be mandated. My point is that, as the bill is currently written, it is facially unconstitutional because it singles out an industry, NOT (only) on the basis of its practices, but (also) on the basis of the viewpoint or content of its speech. As any first year law student can tell you, that will not fly. The bill may be easily amended to remove this constitutional defect–and then it would apply universally to any and all filmmakers, artists, educators, etc., that engage in “the representation of sexual intercourse,” or whatever that is supposed to mean.

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By: Alex Bettinger https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7367 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:06:00 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7367 In reply to flr666.

For First Amendment purposes that is wholly irrelevant. And the fact that an industry can be regulated also entirely misses my point. I agree with you that an industry can be regulated. I agree with you that condoms can be required by anyone filming real sex. However, no industry can be singled out for regulation because of the CONTENT or VIEWPOINT of its speech. That violates elementary principles of First Amendment jurisprudence. You can’t ONLY regulate speech “for the sexual stimulation of the viewer” but allow “educational” or “artistic” films complete freedom to ignore those regulations.

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By: Alex Bettinger https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7366 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:01:55 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7366 In reply to flr666.

It is absolutely correct that an industry can be singled out. It is absolutely correct that an industry can be regulated, even when it comes to methods of speech production. What the government may NOT do is single out an industry for regulation–ANY industry, ever–because of the viewpoint or the content of that industry’s speech.

Please understand me: It is my opinion that California CAN very well require condoms in porn. But what it may NOT do is allow anyone who wants to shoot a film for purposes other than “sexual stimulation of the viewer” to shoot real penetrative sex, or whatever “representations of sexual intercourse” is supposed to mean in the law, without having to abide by the same safety measures. Put simply: The government cannot selectively impose restrictive burdens on the basis of the speaker’s viewpoint or the content of his speech.

Again, R.A.V. is the controlling case. The government CAN prohibit the burning of crosses when such conduct (itself a form of expression) is likely to promote violence. The government MAY NOT prohibit the burning of crosses ONLY when it is likely to promote violence because of the particular viewpoint or content of the speaker (in that case, on the basis of race, creed, or gender). The law in that case was found facially unconstitutional, and the person convicted under it was absolved, because the law tried to single out speakers on the basis of the content of their speech. If the legislature had simply prohibited the burning of crosses when such conduct is likely to incite violence, then his conviction would have stood. But because the legislature took the further step of ONLY prohibiting racially motivated cross-burning, or gender-motivated cross burning, etc., the entire law was rendered invalid.

I hope that clears things up for you. My position, you will see, is not the same as the FSC’s. I agree with you that California has the power to require condoms. It just can’t ONLY require condoms for those people whose speech is “for the sexual stimulation of the viewer”. That invalidates the entire law, just as it did in R.A.V.

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By: flr666 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7365 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:02:00 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7365 In reply to Alex Bettinger.

@Alex everyone on a film set runs the risk of tripping over a light stand, it is only the people who WORK WITH THEM ALL THE TIME who are obligated to wear steel toe boots. Does this mean the electrics and grips are having their rights infringed on? No, of course not. It is risk based. Porn stars, by definition, have sexual intercourse ALL THE TIME which puts them at a higher risk than actors who do the odd kissing scene or even an on screen blow job once in their career.

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By: flr666 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7364 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:53:00 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7364 In reply to Alex Bettinger.

@Alex. In industry there are different regulations that apply to different industry due to the risks in the various industry. It is not uncommon at all for an industry to be singled out with a regulation. Just in the film industry there are all kinds of different regulations that apply to different people depending on their job description. Some people need steel toed boots, others need hairnets, yet others need paint masks. So I don’t think it is in anyway unconstitutional to force porn producers to force porn stars to use protection when plying their trade at the behest of the producer. Thinking this thing will go down on constitutional grounds is just wishful thinking and perhaps a way to line the pockets of a few lawyers.

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By: flr666 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7363 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:35:45 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7363 In reply to jilted.

@jilted the technique used to make a film are not free speech. The final product is. Not at all the same thing.

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By: flr666 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7362 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:33:40 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7362 In reply to Alex Bettinger.

I think the ‘First Amendment’ argument is a red herring since it will not apply. ‘The for the purpose of….’ is simply a description of the activity at hand ie the production of pornography. This is, in the lawmakers view, a workplace safety issue and a director cannot have a performer engage in unsafe activity at work without taking all reasonable precautions. I think any court will determine a condom to be a reasonable precaution.

I think the constitutional argument is an act of desperation that is bound to fail. If the industry wants to fight this they’ll need to find something better. What? i don’t know. Should they? I don’t think so.

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By: richard373 https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7357 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:51:21 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7357 Alex may be you can hire very expensive eloquen republican press your agrument I here James Lee available. FSC spent loads money for him press there case for stoping Measure B in your city claim was unconstitutional cost to much money enforce prevent porn performers freedom not wear condoms. All that crap did stop voters or city make measure B law in LA. The same person who passed Measure B in your city behind state wide measure Weinstein AHF which means state wide bill comes from same guy who push Measure B in law in La county. In case have heard Alex Weinstein trying to set up new goverment organization enforce Measure B in La becuase he claim he can not get health deparment to do it. There is no differences between your argument and than one FSC used on Meaure B both use same claim laws where unconstitutional . Thing have change sent 1993 goverment was given alot power sent 911 event that you speak of . Waste enough time one this move on bigger better subjects here.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/legal/california-assembly-bill-332-ab332-condoms-in-porn-7246/#comment-7354 Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:37:58 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=7246#comment-7354 In reply to origen01.

there should be a link at the bottom of the comment allowing you to edit it. you may have to mouseover the bottom of the comment for it to show

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