Comments on: 2257 In Its Death Throes https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Fri, 07 Jul 2023 07:53:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: BT https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29629 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:24:41 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29629 In reply to MikeSouth.

I completely understand that an 18 year old probably doesn’t have the life experience to make an informed decision about whether they should or shouldn’t do porn and the impact it could have on them down the road. That is especially true for those who might get into it to make a fast buck or because a poor choice of a boyfriend encourages them, later come to their senses and clean up their acts and find that some of their career choices are limited. Or, potentially limited should anyone find out about their porn past. Heck, 18 year olds aren’t mature enough to make sound decisions about what college to go to based on what its going to cost them, what they have to borrow and how much they party during their four years. That’s the nature of being 18. And, I can respect porn producers who say, you know what, for my shoots, I want someone with some seasoning and life experience. I’m not going to hire anyone under the age of 21 or 25. Where I have a problem is a law, when we allow them to do other stupid things.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29627 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:48:08 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29627 In reply to Sam38g.

That is a great point Sam, There have been so many girls who came into this biz with no clue what they were getting into and it has come back and bitten us many times. Personally I always try to get a feel for why the girl is coming to me wanting to shoot and as I have stated many times if I dont feel right about it I wont shoot her. That may sound odd but the truth is it helps me….in weeding out girls in this manner I dont have the headaches of girls saying that they were tricked or mistreated or whatever nearly as much as I would if I didn’t.

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By: Sam38g https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29626 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:14:48 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29626 In reply to Karmafan.

Why blame the girls? Why not put the blame where it needs to be on the agents & producers who hired them? If porn didn’t want train wrecks then they would NOT have hired them in the first place.

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By: rawalex https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29620 Sat, 11 Jun 2016 10:20:24 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29620 In reply to mharris127.

It’s actually one of the many things in the US that really needs to get worked out.

I have always held the following: If you can die for your country at 18, then you can “everything else”. If you want to set the bar at 21, then do the same for military service. Someone who is mature enough to be cannot fodder for useless wars should be allowed to fuck on camera, drink, gamble, get married, get fucked, and get paid to get fucked.

Fuck it, I’m the other side of half a century and I ain’t mature enough for many of those things!

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29617 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 22:45:33 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29617 In reply to LurkingReader.

No matter LR its always good to see you here, as well as everyone else, it is you guys that put mikesouth.com on top even of AVN and XBiz, nobody else has the open forum for discussion, the intelligent commenters and the tolerance for differing opinions that you find here and I am DAMN proud of that

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29616 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:59:38 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29616 In reply to MikeSouth.

@MikeSouth

TY Wasn’t hiding just a combo of lots of life stuff & content based posts which I generally don’t comment on 🙂

IIRC the last ruling forced administrative requests and or subpoenas? All the varied legal scrutinizes etc didn’t take into account that revenge porn wasn’t a consideration when child protection laws were written…can’t see victim advocates letting this go with idiots setting up their peers to be raped then posting it live and/or posting to less scrupulous sites.

Smart to avoid a Traci Lords situation yet IMO 2257 should have been less concerned with truly willing not yet legal performers and focused more on teens looking for a fun/crazy time and discovering they’d made their porn début as well as runaways or poverty stricken teens in the grey area between doing porn as survival and exploitation both of which closes too many doors to escape their situation. It bugs me that we seal all sorts of juvenile records but victims of child porn no longer have that option because the web is forever. Till porn comes up with a way to erase youthful transgressions from the web I’m sticking with ‘there ought to be a law’ which says alot since I’m against most laws in principle.

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By: MikeSouth https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29612 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:20:36 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29612 In reply to LurkingReader.

WB LR and you make a good point, I have no problem maintaining the records required by 2257, I did so even before 2257 was introduced as a law, it only makes sense to be able to positively ID your performers. My problem with 2257 was always the warrant-less search provisions assuming guilt until you prove otherwise. In essence you have to prove you didn’t commit a crime that never happened..that I have a problem with. OTOH suppose you have a situation like Traci Lords, she had a valid US passport and CA drivers license proving her to be of legal age, should that happen again I can immediately remove all of that content because I have the recordkeeping in place.

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By: LurkingReader https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29611 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:13:23 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29611 Before this is over it will be back in SCOTUS or a new ID law will be created with the intent to protect citizens from revenge porn. Several states have already passed revenge porn laws and every argument against them has been it not necessary because 2257 ensure only people who want to be on the web are on the web. lots of industries have to contend with industry specific recordkeeping.

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By: BT https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29610 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:41:20 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29610 In reply to mharris127.

Given that people can vote, get married and procreate, serve alcohol in many states and join the military at 18, its really difficult to imagine a law that restricts entering the adult entertainment industry until you’re 21 – or 25. I’m not saying I think its a bad idea – I just can’t imagine it passing.

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By: mharris127 https://mikesouth.com/legal/2257-in-its-death-throes-13474/#comment-29609 Fri, 10 Jun 2016 05:31:01 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/?p=13474#comment-29609 In reply to Karmafan.

I have to disagree, Karmafan. If we consider someone an adult then that person should be able to make ALL adult decisions unless that person is somehow mentally incompetent. That includes what job to apply for (and work if hired), vote in governmental elections, make medical decisions, consume alcohol/tobacco (Hawaii and California have recently raised the minimum tobacco consumption age to 21 — whoever came up with that one needs to go to the nearest insane asylum), apply for and use credit/banking, join the military, marry, etc. Any policies to the contrary are asinine and ridiculous (other than the retirement age for pensions/Social Security which obviously shouldn’t be 18 or 21). If you want to raise the age of majority to 21 (when I was growing up many states had that as law and the right to vote in federal elections took effect at 21 although it wasn’t enforced other than for voting — as I can attest to having acted as an adult well before that age), fine but don’t pick and choose what an adult can and cannot do based on age if that age isn’t the age of majority or lower (lower within reason, I cannot support young teenagers in porn or three year olds driving a car).

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