Comments on: Murder Ball https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/ The institute for the advance study of insensitivity and pornography Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:19:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: markh59 https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1784 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:19:16 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1784 wow. Ummmm, ya. Just wow. Someone needs to get out a bit more…

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By: goodwill https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1781 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:12:01 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1781 “Kayden”-

I don’t see how I’m a hypocrite. I know you know who I am. I’m sure Mike pieced it together aswell. Had you read the entire string of posts here, you would see that all I was doing was explaining to Cocaine_Incorporated that my current username here isn’t an added bit of malicious irony. It is what it is solely for my own convenience. Completely coincidental.

Why do I do all of this? To get you to do what you just did here. To get under your skin. To remind myself that I can. That no matter how many things your easy money and popularity allows you to do in your life, you’re still required by the fact you’re a human to consider the issues I raise – and to do a terrible job at it.

Caring about one’s moral perfection (which I know you’ll immediately think is a religious term – rather than a term stolen and perverted by religion) is a lonely gig. It’s very, very easy to be where I am in my life and conclude that it’s because of some fault on my part when in fact so much of it is the fault of others (again, I know that you’ll roll your eyes at that one too – I’ll address it in a minute). I do it frequently. I’m not under any impression that pornography is the main culprit, but since it does happen have humanity’s most fundamental emotional and intellectual expression as it’s stock and trade, it’s a good place to see just how deep the divisions between myself and the cultural status quo run. Arguing with liberals about Obamacare, or with Christians about abortion is boring, and tracing the steps down to their nihilism is too much work.

So you like Ayn Rand because she says that people should take responsibility for themselves, huh? I can’t figure out why. You would be just another college girl working at the Gap if that were the case. You depend upon people being out of whack and irresponsible. As I said about Mike last week, I know you’d all like to think that your products are used only in the most appropriate of circumstances, but you know they’re not. You wouldn’t produce them if they were. Is thinking so really any different than a liberal, or a conservative Christian, or any other amoral pragmatist appeaser who says that communism is good in theory, but bad in practice?

I say bullocks and that you’re all weak little liars in fear of the omnipotence of other people and scared to live your own lives by your own rational judgement and effort. To live the best life you can. To truly experience “a state of non-contradictory joy. A joy without penalty or guilt. A joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind’s fullest power, not the joy of faking reality [for yourself or for anyone else], but of achieving values that are real.”

Communism is bad in practice because it’s bad in theory. It’s a vicious and evil theory to start with. I also say that about 99.9% of porn consumption/production. It’s not a good thing to warp your mind at it’s most basic level, it’s not a good idea to try to warp the minds of your countrymen, and it’s not a good idea to contemplate doing either. It’s vicious and evil – no matter how well it’s dressed up in sexual-liberating nicities or insulated from criticism by relativism masquerading as individualism.

In closing, I’m not going to address your claim that Objectivism is tantamount to a religion because it’s just so elementary, and betrays your ignorance of the thing which you say you reject (even though you list it’s seminal works as your favorite books in numerous places on the internet), that all I feel like doing is suggesting that you go to AynRandLexicon.com and looking up “package dealing.”

Oh, and I stopped jerking off to you just about the time that you and I did have our little argument about Objectivism. I care too much about my life on this earth to do that.

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By: kayden kross https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1780 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:45:23 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1780 goodwill-
I laughed out loud when I read that you post from a throw away email address after the comment you left on my own blog about how you’re absolutely not anonymous and therefore not a coward like I claim anonymous hecklers are. You posted that under the name grant, and you also used to post here under the name grantsinmypants. No matter who you claim to be it’s always the same crap and as far as I’m concerned you’re in the same category as the woman who stands on the corner of 5th and Broadway with signs strapped to her back telling us all to repent. Just because you don’t tie your beliefs to a deity doesn’t mean you’re not a religious fanatic.

We emailed a few times from one of the posts I put up here awhile back. I told you then that I was not a staunch objectivist and had no aspirations to be. I told you I thought it was an extremely cold way to live. I don’t want to be martyr I just like that Rand encourages people to take responsibility for themselves. You agreed that it was cold and then admitted that you didn’t even have a job because you couldn’t find a boss who was morally upstanding enough to deserve you. At least the fanatics who think they have a god also think they get rewards in heaven when they practice martyrdom. What do you get out of it besides a long arm to pat yourself on the back with after you stroke your dick to me at night? You keep hinting that you do all of this for a reason but we’re clearly too stupid over here to understand your higher calling so please, enlighten us.

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By: goodwill https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1776 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:21:44 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1776 I didn’t say that you thought that all of my points were valid. I said that you thought – and still do – that some of them were. You’re only now addressing them because you’ve run out of ways to avoid doing so. None of them worked on me. As for what you think of them:

1) “Kayden” stayed at the barbeque. So that bit is irrelevant.

2) I use that email address for other things besides writing comments on this blog. It existed before I signed up here. You’re making unwarranted assumptions.

3) To demand omnicience, omnipotence, and divinity in order to judge something or someone is just a way of insulating yourself from the only valid of judgement there is: that from a rational human being.

4) of course I am projecting my personal issues onto the people who write this blog. The products they create facilitated them coming into being. I am determined to fix them, and this is part of the process. They depend on me not doing so. Too bad. I’m not a believer in turning the other cheek. Bad people deserve scorn just as much as good people deserve praise. Also, This has nothing to do with IQ. If Make, “Kayden”, et al had low IQs I could almost forgive them. That they don’t makes what they do that much worse.

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By: Cocaine_Incorporated https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1775 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:13:32 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1775 And yes, I am quite aware that there is ONE justifiable reason for your screen name, but was trying not to state that for your benefit….and it would be a true Oxymoron. Since you seem to take what someone doesn’t say as a displaying a lack of knowledge, I thought I should go ahead and throw that out there now.

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By: Cocaine_Incorporated https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1774 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:18:28 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1774 I did not see that all your points were true as most were not, you are projecting that out of your own arrogance. So many of your assumptions about Kayden’s motivations were clearly so far off target, there was really nothing tangible to respond to. I granted you nothing with my lack of comment regarding that. I did, however, quite clearly say that you would be bringing up some valid points for discussion if you had stated them clearly and in a less confrontational manner and scribed them such that the readers could understand the point you were trying to make.

For instance, you state “Of course she took the opportunity to do something unique. I explained why she took it. It’s not like she is in training to work in a prison.” to describe most of your initial posting’s psychological opinions of Kayden, but Kayden clearly stated “I couldn’t imagine why one would fly in for a barbeque but I didn’t ask.” So where Kayden is clearly stating that she had no idea what the barbeque was for (murderers) in advance of agreeing to accompany her friend, you went on a long tangent about why she agreed to the opportunity to go to a “murderer’s ball because of her psychological problems. Your entire psychological evaluation was irrelevant to the stated facts in her blog…plain and simple. You read what you wanted to read. I could write for an hour dissecting your misguided rantings.

As far as “you’re actually trying to make the case that it’s never, for any reason, appropriate to have the term “goodwill” as one’s username.” No, I clearly did not suggest that. I’m saying anyone having a disposable email they can walk away from is beyond the purposes of anonymity, it most likely stems from the need to be temporarily deceitful, which is why it is a “throw away” email and not just an anonymous one that you keep around for privacy purposes. Using “goodwill” when your purposes are clearly not, is intentionally deceiving. Your interpretation, once again, was fallacious and off target. The stated facts did not support your conclusion.

So I guess you feel you are the omniscient and omnipotent god that decides who deserves goodwill, and in these recent instances not only deciding who doesn’t deserve it, but who actually deserves malicious will…which is actually one step further than “I give plenty of goodwill to those who deserve it. To those who don’t, I don’t.”

YOU clearly have no idea what happened so far. You come to a blog with a porn topic because you think you are going to be smarter than everyone else, with the intention of intimidating people (your words.) You are clearly projecting your personal issues into the blogs you read and projecting your psychosis into other people’s actions, your excuse is some bullshit about wanting to document your rantings other than on your harddrive. The facts and evaluations you claim stem from invalid arguments and fallacy…add a logic class to your much needed psychology courses. And quite frankly, your just not as smart or clever as you think you are. An IQ of 120 here is an IQ of 120 no matter where you go. Attacking people on a porn site doesn’t raise you up any higher, while you bring everybody else down…to use your own terminology. You are far from being in the tail of the bell curve, no matter where you go Goodwill. If you aren’t going to provide something worthwhile to this website, why not just leave these people alone and move on? Terabyte drives are fucking cheap these days!

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By: juliemeadows https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1772 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:35:32 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1772 Thank you, Hunter. It’s very nice of you to say that. 🙂

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By: Hunter https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1771 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:08:27 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1771 “And, of course, I can’t direct any dialogue this person’s way because I’m not worthy of conversation”

Ya know, come to think of it, you’re a hell of a lot more worthy of conversation than he is.

Hi Julie, love reading your thought-provoking postings!!! Keep it up. Oh, and also enjoyed the vids (in the car, and the tribute to Freddie Mercury) on your blog. “Don’t break my ART”… very cool name.

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By: goodwill https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1770 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:56:02 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1770 Here’s what’s happened so far:

I made a few points, you saw that they were true – so true that you couldn’t outright confront them and deny them – so you granted me that much, but then just said that I should have been nicer when I made them.

I pointed out that it wasn’t my intention to get anyone to agree with my points. If anything, to just know that they exist, and to have less confidence as a result. But that doesn’t really matter anyways since my real point in writing them is so that I have them for my reference.

You were left with literally nothing, so all you did was more crudely state your original point.

I shot that down by pointing out that my username here isn’t some intentional bit of irony, but merely convenient for me to remember.

You still won’t accept what’s going on, so now you’re actually trying to make the case that it’s never, for any reason, appropriate to have the term “goodwill” as one’s username?

I give plenty of goodwill to those who deserve it. To those who don’t, I don’t. Being friendly doesn’t qualify one as deserving it.

if that were the case, then murderers would deserve it. which brings me full circle…

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By: Cocaine_Incorporated https://mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1769 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:49:19 +0000 http://www.mikesouth.com/kayden-kross/murder-ball-2865/#comment-1769 And you have a “throw away” email account which includes “goodwill” for the purpose of what exactly?

You want to say more things that prove my point before clearly thinking them through? I certainly don’t need to grasp for anything!

How about, “Why am I enabling you by continuing to respond?” And I’d probably think…”that’s finally a damn good point.”

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