@joeschmoe,

I am not at the position to pass judgment on anybody for any reason, I don’t have anything against the gay people, and I don’t think homosexuality should be prohibited. To put it simply, I don’t have any problem with the gay people, I have problem with the gay agenda. On a larger scale, I have problem with any kind of agenda that tends to undermine freedom of expression, freedom of speech and freedom of choice. You are correct on pointing out that one of the reasons behind establishing the LGBT lobby groups was to fight back against years of abuse, discrimination and oppression. However, the LGBT lobby groups have become the same bully that they used to fight, the oppressed has become the oppressor, and that’s why I oppose them and their methods and their propaganda which starts at the elementary schools against the wishes of the majority of parents.

I am not a religious person, I don’t have to be religious to distinguish right from wrong. When the state interferes with the livelihood of a baker couple and orders them to bake a cake for a gay wedding, in their privately operated shop, against their will, or face penalty and prison, in my view that’s wrong, that’s the government overstepping its boundaries, that’s a slippery slope which will lead to tyranny, and if we the people don’t stand against it, soon the government will interfere in every other aspect of lives of each and every one of us. So I do what I can, what I believe is right which is writing articles, addressing and discussing such issues and raising awareness. Some will agree with me, some will disagree, and that’s fine. As independent individuals, we don’t have to see eye to eye and agree on every issue all the time.

Having said that, if you’re going to visit my web site and read more of my articles, I hope you find some of them interesting and agreeable. Cheers.

Two things Mr Payne

1 – In your recent post, you make very good comments on Islam. It was invented and used as a means of conquest, with tremendous zeal from the direct successors of Mohammed to very large caliphates. Much of the horrible attrocities the Islamic State are committing today happened at the hands of the caliphates in Islamic history. I can agree with you. ANd while I have no sympathy for Christians, I can not deny there is a gap between each religions barbaric history.

Secondly, you pointed out judging you. You write essays judging people solely on their sexual preferences. You can not present any reason that being gay should be prohibited other than what came from religious brain washing of the generations.

I will visit your site and read some things. I may think you are way off on some things, and have good points on others. Debating is good but I still think you need to drop the “gay” stuff and move on.

@Ms. Panz,

I don’t deny the evil that Christianity has committed during its 2000 year history. However, even at its lowest point which was during the Dark Ages, Christianity was more humane than Islam in the 21st century.

Christianity did not even start as a religious cult, it started as a revolutionary act against the oppression of Roman Empire, and Jesus Christ never had any ambition to become a political war lord and cause violence and bloodshed. One century after his death, the Roman Empire, weakened by corruption, environmental changes and long wars, invented Christianity partly based on the life story and teachings of Jesus Christ and partly based on Pagan myths. Invention of Christianity was a political effort to unite people under one theological umbrella and guarantee the survival and continuation of the Empire. Catholic church was the continuation of Roman Empire in disguise.

Islam, on the other hand, is a barbaric cult, invented by a vicious war lord and from the beginning, its sole purpose has been to gain power through conquest and violence. Islam was invented by Muhammad, a brutal war lord who ordered the massacre and beheading of thousands of people during his 23 year old quest for power and supremacy, a man who treated wives and children of his enemies like spoils of war and either shared them among his army or sold them in slave markets, a man who at the age of 54, married a 6 year old child.

Religion in general has a great capacity for evil, however there are different degrees of evil. I can never compare Jesus Christ who defended a prostitute and saved her to pedophile Muhammad who violated a 6 year old child. That would be historically inaccurate and morally wrong.

@joeschmoe,

Hereby you admit you have only read my stuff here, and yet based on your limited information, you make the assumption that I’m a bigot who has borrowed his views from religious texts and blabbers conspiracy theories just because he wants to feel good about himself. I don’t expect you to buy my book, I don’t expect you to read all of my articles, but I don’t appreciate being misjudged either.

Very good points on the history of Christianity. All the things we are horrified about Islamic extremists and governments today, have happened in comparable fashion in Christian history. We just have got past it and people seem to have forgotten about it. There were so many wars in Europe due to Christianity, the colonization and pillaging of the world, the slave trade, you name it…….. Islam is just a few centuries behind it it’s development curve and we are seeing them go through what Christianity went through a few hundred years ago. Eventually the Arab world will secularize their governance like Europe did (with the appropriate wars and conflict and death to get there of course), and it will start to get to the point Christianity is at now in a couple more centuries.

Religion will not be gone in 2065 or at any time for that matter. There will always be a huge swath of humanity that need to believe the will survive after earthy death, need to believe they will see their loved ones again in some paradise, and who need to believe there is an external force that will solve their problems. That won’t go away.

Mohammed did sell himself as a continuation of the prophets from the Old Testament (he believed in the Old Testament and his writings were inspired by it), and that the Quran was the final word from God. There is a lot of connection between the two and Christians who are so easy to throw shots at Muslims don’t even realize how closely tied their roots are.

Mohammed’s vision was one of conquest and violence; these horrible creatures in the Islamic State are not making their beliefs up from thin air, they are reading verbatim from the Quran.

Moderate and Mainstream Muslims and Christians both chose to ignore the vile parts of their books (thankfully and respectfully they do), but the words and commands are there in plain sight and there are plenty of violent commands in both texts that have inspired terrorists, slave traders, slave owners, deniers of human rights, war mongers, the list is a long one.

@MrPayne

Those quotes from the Quran are quite troubling. Sadly, they read exactly like the Old Testament. In Matthew Jesus is quoted saying that they must be followed too. The Quran and the Bible aren’t all that different. The differences between them are comparable to the Fu Man Chu novels. If it is story that you are going for you only need to read one.

The word of the Christian god hasn’t changed either. God’s just as much of a sadistic and unloving fuck that he or she has always been.

Some Muslims read the Quran and do nasty shit. The Bible commands people to do some nasty shit too along the same lines as the Quran. The only reason you don’t see that many Christians going bonkers today is because Christians already did all of the horrible shit in the past to get to where they are today. Society called bullshit on their beliefs, and their time is over. The religion is predicted to be virtually extinct by 2065. They had a good run.

Christians killed millions and millions of people. 113.8 million died in Christian wars as opposed to the 16.4 million that died in Muslim wars. Yet, somehow the Muslims are no-good evildoers. Christianity is pretty fucking deadly and hardly a religion of peace.

The world is becoming more secular. As a result, the need to hate gays, women with short hair, women who talk in church, women who were raped, and women who squeeze the testes of another man during a fight (Deuteronomy 25:11) isn’t a priority aside from those who are dickheads.

Have gay lobby groups got too powerful and now try to push people around and bully them to get their way? Absolutely. But you have to accept that after centuries of abuse , they decided to gather together in the 20th century and fight back. Our cultures oppression of them for so long created that monster and we need to stop fighting it and move into better things to do in the world. There is no reason to continue to keep fighting this battle.

You have been programmed , you won’t admit that. But if those few lines in the bible where never written, or burned, or never cannonized by the catholic church, we would never have had this issue in the first place. It is a creation by people that you claim to be free from. Think about it.

PS – before you even say it, I am simply using Christianity as that is the dominant religion in USA, and Europe before the USA was created. I am aware other religious also have wanted to deny rights based on sexual orientation. However, Islam was born from the Old Testament (Abrahamic religion), and that is where they got it from too.

The “homosexuality is wrong” came from religion. That is fact. You tell people to open their minds but you keep stuck to what basically amounts to a religious dogma born in the Catholic Church long ago. We all get you don’t like gay people and we all get you are against equal rights for gay people. You don’t need to put it in every single thing you write (I admit I have only read your stuff here though).

The whole “sexual initiation of children” is completely bogus and you know it. The number of people with a gay orientation as a section of our society has not increased much over the last 2 generations. What has increased is the number of people willing to be open about it, admit it, and not hide they are gay. That does not mean people have been initiated into it.

Conspiracy theories are fun, sometimes there is substance to them, sometimes it is absolute rubbish. Stretching my mind does not mean accepting concepts that are completely bogus just to say “Haha, I get the secret conspiracy, I am thinking out of the box”. I think people like you just blindly accept stuff as fact in order to feel good about yourselves that you are bucking society or thinking differently, or telling yourself “I know the real truth unlike the sheep”. If that makes you feel better that is great for you, but you really should think about why you are doing this.

Your mind is not open if you are sticking to an old religious dogma when it comes to sexual orientations. It was Christians who taught the myths of “sexual initiation”, and have denied equal rights for centuries. All because of a few lines in an ancient text written by an unknown person. That is not an open mind, that is dogma.

Christianity has fought homosexuality for 2000 years, gay people have not gone away, and never will. It is part of the human experience and people like yourself need to start embracing your fellow humans instead of wasting so much energy on a failed platform that will never give you victory. Move onto something else, it is a worthless venture at this stage to still be fighting rights for gay people or going on about theories about how they are sneaking into our schools and teaching young children to be gay.

@joeschmoe,

I’ve written many articles that don’t connect to gay people:

http://www.reignoftheilluminati.net

The reason I haven’t posted them here is because I thought the general readers of MikeSouth.com may not be interested in topics like secret societies, ancient history and paranormal phenomenon. “Over the Rainbow” series, on the other hand, is focused on social issues including but not limited to the LGBT, and since social issues are being debated on this web site regularly, that’s why I thought this series might be suitable for here. By the way, nothing in my writings indicates that I’m a religious person, because I’m not. I wonder why you made the assumption that I am. I oppose gay propaganda and sexual initiation of children, so I must be a religious person, right? Is that what they thought you in college? Typical millennial/ yappie mindset. Stretch your mind and think outside the box. Cheers.