everyone knew Karen tortured John says Rob

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Normally Rob Black signs off his daily show at 3PM, but today he and I continued a chat that began around 2:30 and ended up some 90 minutes later.

Black was just getting into more commentary about Karen Stagliano who made comments years ago that he was an abusive boyfriend.

Black asked this question, “How is it that somebody who is abused and tortured can come back and hang out with the people and the person that tortured them..I know for a fact you there when Karen was with us.”

I then told Black I had this email from Nick East who used to date her.

So fans, if they hung in there, were privy to some inside, inside information. Towards the end of the regularly scheduled programming, I brought up the email. East told me do with it what you may. So I may have read it aloud on the air.

According to East, he dated Karen Stagliano after Black and her had called it quits.

East took great exception to the whole tone of Black’s show the other day when Black re-traced the history of his relationship when Stagliano performed in the industry as Trisha Devereaux.
East wrote the following: No no no no!

I dated Karen after Rob did and before she caught HIV! We even shared a situation where if a post hadn’t been protruding from the ground at an intersection, we would have both died together in a horrific car accident!

She was not on a downward spiral at all! In fact, she was one of the most ‘with it’ girls I have ever dated and I completely understand why John would snatch her up! She wasn’t on drugs, she really had her shit together! I don’t work for them, and I know I never will (I also dated Krist Lynn), but I will be damned if I will allow someone to slander her good name and say she got ‘revenge HIV’!

Oh, my God!!! How egotistical do you have to be to think someone got HIV just to spite you? Oh, and Rob looks and acts like a tweeker to the ninth degree!

Can someone say ‘Animal’ from the Muppets? Because that is exactly what Rob Black looks like nowadays! Animal on Meth!

Do what you want with this letter, Gene, but he is wrong about the way Karen left HIM!

Nick

Actually Black agreed with Nick’s assessment that in his present incarnation he looked like Animal from The Muppets.

“He does have a point, I’ll give him that,” Black laughed.

“So they all deny that article that AVN wrote?” Black asked. “I love these people. They all want to deny the facts. Can you explain to everybody this evil person that I was, how Karen hung out with us at XPW?”

“When me and Karen broke up- that small period of time, she left [the business]. She was out. When she came back is when me and her made up. I felt responsible [for her getting HIV].

“I used to tell everybody that. There was nothing to make up. She did an interview where she told somebody [Legs McNeil], this guy who was writing a book, I told him tell her to call me. She called me. She came to my office and we made up. The she hung out with us for about a year. During that time she said to me, John Stagliano’s calling me and he wants to date me. What should I do?

“I said he’s got tons of money. He’ll get you on those meds. Because without those meds you’re going to die. She goes, okay. She got AIDS, got with John Stagliano and the rest is history. Tell Nick to get his facts straight. He’s a little drunk.”

At this point we officially went off the air but continued the conversation about Trisha Devereaux. Black said he loved Nick East.

“He was at the Freddie Lincoln Memorial http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=57508 drunk off his ass. Staggering around. Nick, get the fuck away from me, and he’s ‘aharhfgrgrrrr.’

“He doesn’t know anything to be part of the conversation,” said Black.

“What Nick is talking about isn’t the Karen we’re all talking about. After we broke up, and what Nick is talking about, there was a little period of time when she stayed in the business. I would talk to her from the edit bay at Elegant Angel. She was fine then to a degree but she was the wacky, nut job that she is. Whatever. That was the funny thing at Elegant them saying, ‘Karen’s completely nuts. Yeah, I know.’

“Nick East dated her when we broke up. When I’m talking about is when she came back in the business- AVN ran an article- you can’t run from fact where she came back as the contract girl of John Bowen and Cream Entertainment. She joined the ranks with Zoe over there and she talked about how an abusive boyfriend- she didn’t say my name- held her back from being a star and that now she was going to be doing D.P.s, gangbangs and cream pies. Two months later, three months later she got the ‘HIV.’

“That’s what I was talking about that she was doing the Zane Entertainment house gangbang. That’s the era.”

I mentioned to Black that what a lot of people didn’t know in the business was Bowen was jealous of Rob.

“And he was vocal about it and he used to call me names,” Black agreed.

“He made it his business of picking up all your ex-contract girls,” I also mentioned to Black.

“Exactly,” said Black. “Everybody out there, you tell me- Nick East, you big mouth drunk who doesn’t know the facts, when Karen got back into the business and Bowen did her press release and AVN reported it. She called me an abusive boyfriend that prevented her from being a star and she was now going to be a star with John T. Bone. John Bowen told everybody I was a douchebag; John used to work for my uncle, everybody!!! Karen strategically did all this!!!”

“And John Stagliano is strategically doing what he’s doing and his partner, his wife, strategically did what she did. What she does is disparage my name.”

As I told Black because I was around that whole vibe, that I had to believe the stuff coming out of her mouth was the stuff Bowen fed her brain.

“The guy was a master,” I continued, “a Svengali at taking any girl and brainwashing them into saying and doing anything he wanted, from Kendra Jade where he got her to set up Jerry Springer in a sex scam. He was able to do it. If the word ‘abusive’ was coming out in that press release or that story, that word was coming from him, not so much her.”

Black recalled at the time that Devereaux left the business not too many people in the business gave a shit about her.

“Nobody reports about that. She came back in the business on a fluke because she was talking- that book The Other Side of Hollywood- she passed a message through Legs.

“She said to Legs that she loved me and admitted she fucked up. Legs, whoever did the interview with her, told me that she admitted and said everything that happened was her fault.

“Of course it was both of us, but I was painted as this monster. I passed the word back that I don’t hate her and she called me a day later. We got together and she hung out with us. She went to XPW wrestling.

“I never forget the day she said to me that John Stagliano called her. I said there’s you’re fucking gravy train. She didn’t want to go. It sounds so horrible because she was holding out that I would get back with her and wear a rubber.”

“She even flirted with Patrick Hernandez [the referee at XPW] to where the rumor was he fucked her with a rubber. I can’t prove any of that, but that was the rumor.”

“When John was calling her, and she started dating John, and I was the one who would tell her this is your gravy train and you can help run the company.

“I told her she needs to be put in the position that Lizzy’s in the position for me. I’m the one who put that in her brain, and, at the end of the day, when I would go into Art Attack- they would gossip about every one and tell everyone’s secrets. ‘We just talked to Stagliano today.’ I’d go how’s my buddy doing, and they’d tell me, ‘Your ex is torturing him. Waaaaagh.”

“Why, what is she doing now?”

“They’re going, oh she runs the DVD department and she’s firing everyone. I go that’s Karen, man. But I guess I was the bad guy, and they’re like we all know Karen but they don’t know Karen. I’m like, now they know Karen.”

On a website, I found screenshots of the Katie Summers scene.
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Bt,
Its the agents who need to be worried. They know something is coming. They dont know exactly what or when, but they know. And this aint hurting matters for those who are coming after the agents. And Florida law regarding talent agents are more strict than california. Left hook, right hook, body shot, uppercut, and a DIRECT hit to the jaw, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. Ding ding ding, fight over! O did you C that.

second girl: Stagliano never told me

Rob Black reported Thursday afternoon that a second female performer has emerged and is in talks with Katie Summers’ attorney Robert Starr. Black suspects that a second lawsuit might be filed against John Stagliano as early as next week.

Black explained that he was late for his show because he’s been in the middle of attorney meetings himself involving a lawsuit that’s going to come down on Frank Koretsky.

“Shit’s happening, and things are unfolding,” he reports.

“You guys get that? People are talking to lawyers, D.A.s and a myriad of things.”

“I think everybody now listens to me when I tell you about the shit that’s coming down the pike,” he continued.

“I told you three or four months ago- that to create the perfect business this industry has to be nuked like Japan. After we’re done nuking Stagliano and Steve Hirsch and Princess Donna this industry will be re-built like Japan into an economic juggernaut.

“Our meeting this morning was about IVD and Frank Koretsky, Pure Play Media and Baci Lounge – our meeting was all about the criminal enterprises Frank Koretsky has. Robert Starr is the Erin Brokovich movie guy who fought for small town justice.”

Black said it was funny watching the lawyers all milling around getting a hoot out of the Frank Koretsky clip he created; even more so, he was amazed at the feedback that gave him the impression that Koretsky and the industry-at-large is treading on very thin ice.

“You watch these guys who have contingeny plans and back up plans for another contingency.” Basically Black was talking about a real firm and not a “boutique” run out of a bedroom overlooking a barbecue pit.

Black said this firm is like all those class action firms that go after industry power houses for negligence.

“Only in our industry can you justify wrong doing,” said Black. “These lawyers are getting more and more disgusted listening to the industry horror stories.”

“How the fuck can somebody do that they’re asking.”

Black then addressed the fact that another girl in the industry, either Friday or over the weekend will be talking about the lawsuit she plans to file.

“I’m a matchmaker,” Black laughed. “I provide lawyer companionship to citizens who need lawyerly companionship. This girl I know for a fact reached out to Katie Summers Wednesday night.

“She told Katie, ‘I didn’t know either about Stagliano. I was with LA Direct and the only thing Derek told me, was, it was solo anal. I was never told he was HIV psotive. Stagliano never told me.’

“’Do you want the lawyer’s number? ‘Yup.’ She said to Katie, ‘I just never knew how to go about doing something like this – you get XYZ, I get XYZ. I quit the business and people have shit on me. Fuck, yeah, I’m in.’

“I surmise Stagliano’s second lawsuit will be heading to him next week,” said Black.

“Hey, Tricia, John T. Bone contract girl, you guys will be getting another lawsuit. The question is will the DA get involved?

“Any of these girls who had agents that never informed them that Stagliano was HIV positive- as a bonded licensed agent – I don’t know, but I thought those pimp, er agency licenses, I didn’t know that allowed you to cross state lines.

“I think in the paperwork it states you’re not allowed to send talent to unsafe working conditions. I’m not a lawyer, but Derek Hay, I know you got the soccer mom lawyer. Say to her, ‘Listen my dear, there are a lot of girls I sent to John Stagliano. I know I can get a couple to lie that they knew about Stagliano, but I don’t know if I can get all of them to lie. Is this going to be a problem?’

“I got to figure this soccer mom lawyer will say this won’t be a problem because Stagliano has super blood and is undetectable for HIV.”

Black said, typical of the business, no one will take action unless somewhat contracted HIV again. And even then that’s doubtful. [That’s me saying that.]

“Can anyone justify Stagliano putting his bare penis in this girl Monica Santhaigo? [pictured]” Black asked.

“If this doesn’t show you some serious, serious, serious deception. This isn’t from ten years ago. This is from Buttman’s Stretch Chass #1 [shot in 2008.

“I never knew Allie Haze and Alexis Texas were in the same movie as Summers,” Black continued.

“Were you two women told by Stagliano that he was HIV positive and were you fine working with him? Chris, you are a badass and like to beat people up – I would think you would want to defend your wife [Haze]. And if your wife was told, why did John Stagliano not tell Katie Summers?

“If John Stagliano told Allie Haze he was HIV positive, then she agreed to work with an HIV performer, and my question would be why did she think it would be alright to break protocol and not tell others she worked with an HIV performer?

“Mr. Pete [who’s married to Alexis Texas], I know you knew Stagliano is HIV positive, so my question regarding Alexis Texas is why did you let her work with him?”

Black then addressed the photo of Stagliano inserting his unsheathed penis between Santhiago’s cheeks.

“Karen Stagliano, would this qualify as sexual contact? He didn’t do that with Katie Summers. So you’re saying for an American girl people would be outraged, but it’s alright for a Brazilian girl who can’t defend herself.

“Tom Byron who shot her said it’s a nightmare to shoot her because she doesn’t speak English. I guess this would explain how Stagliano works.

“This is going to get laughed out, right? Agents sending girls? A giant dragnet is coming. If we can get a Spiegler girl, we can get the Trifecta of scumbags – the axis of evil. I’m sure somebody’s going to pop their head up because the girl who talked to Katie said another girl found out weeks later after working with Stagliano that he was HIV, and she was pissed. So I suspect there will be three lawsuits.

“Now I love Allie Haze, and I’m infatuated with her,” Black explained.

“Allie Haze was not with LA Direct right away. She didn’t emerge into the inner circle right away. There was a time when she wasn’t with an agent. So I got to think Allie Haze wasn’t with an agent at that time, but I got to think somebody brought her to Stagliano and he didn’t tell her his status.

“This scene is pretty heavy and as hillbillyish as her and her boyfriend are, I can’t imagine a guy who would let his wife or girlfriend work under those conditions.”

Black painted a picture of how Haze’s boyfriend Chris just randomly punches people in the face for little to no reason. “But you’d let Allie go do that?”

“You and Allie sat down and said, ‘Hey baby, let’s put ourselves at risk because I loves money, baby. Who gives a shit? You get your sweet ass in there and make money for papa.’

“But I don’t believe Chris would do that. I don’t believe a dude who beat up the OC Modeling guy, that he sat in a chair and him and Allie Haze sat there and said do it.

“But if you did that, why? You’d put your wife at risk? You guys were doing New Sensations movies. I think I jerked off to Allie Haze a thousand times. If you contracted HIV and don’t have the millions John Stagliano has to get on meds, you’re going to eventually die of full blown AIDS.

“And now you see John Stagliano taking his bare penis out and rubbing it in a girl. You’re telling me there’s no risk with him handling speculums and dildos?

“All of you people are assuming that if Stagliano drew blood or had an accident on set he would stop proceedings and inform his talent of his condition.

“But he didn’t. Here [in Stretch Class 1] he’s brazen and took his bare penis out and put it in the buttocks of a non-English speaking woman.”

“Chanel Preston I have to ask – did he tell you he was HIV positive, or did you actually know? And that’s a Spiegler girl.

“People seem to think the scene with Katie Summers was innocent touching, but in Stretch Class 1 he’s sticking out his penis and putting it into a girl’s bare buttocks.”

Black said he twittered the photo to members of the adult press and got little or no response.

“Why are you AVN guys not talking about this? AVN, you said you combed through the footage and didn’t see anything that was sexual contact. Take a look at what is happening. All you Stagliano supporters who want to bring up Katie Summers’ scenes, I guess they’ll have to examine all of Stagliano’s scenes.

“This is some serious shit, man. And you people need to wake up and realize this is only the beginning. The next girl will come up, and I will challenge Allie Haze.

“I want to know if John Stagliano told you he was HIV positive. I want someone to ask Chris her husband. He should have the right to know if the guy she’s working with is HIV positive. It’s perplexing what you people are harping on. And every day I’ll whip out more shit like Stagliano keeps whipping out his cock.

“I want to be a fly on the wall at Evil Angel,” Black concluded.

“I wish I could fucking be there, man. As Karen Stagliano so eloquently defended John that Katie’s this and that, here’s my question, ‘Hey Karen, Trishie, do you know your old man takes his bare cock out and puts it in chick’s asses?’

“Is that fucking cool? Does this qualify as sexual contact? It’s fucking staggering. This is a pattern.”

I’m not in the least bit sympathetic here; I think Stagliano’s actions are wreckless and irresponsible. If his fetish is such that he can’t control himself, he needs to be put out of business and pay. But in a civil case, the plaintiff has to prove damages actual damages.

They are never as straight-forward as they seem.

I think the bigger potential hit is to the industry if Summers has a lawyer with the time and resources to start deposing lots of folks about industry practices.

second girl: Stagliano never told me

Rob Black reported Thursday afternoon that a second female performer has emerged and is in talks with Katie Summers’ attorney Robert Starr. Black suspects that a second lawsuit might be filed against John Stagliano as early as next week.

Black explained that he was late for his show because he’s been in the middle of attorney meetings himself involving a lawsuit that’s going to come down on Frank Koretsky.

“Shit’s happening, and things are unfolding,” he reports.

“You guys get that? People are talking to lawyers, D.A.s and a myriad of things.”

“I think everybody now listens to me when I tell you about the shit that’s coming down the pike,” he continued.

“I told you three or four months ago- that to create the perfect business this industry has to be nuked like Japan. After we’re done nuking Stagliano and Steve Hirsch and Princess Donna this industry will be re-built like Japan into an economic juggernaut.

“Our meeting this morning was about IVD and Frank Koretsky, Pure Play Media and Baci Lounge – our meeting was all about the criminal enterprises Frank Koretsky has. Robert Starr is the Erin Brokovich movie guy who fought for small town justice.”

Black said it was funny watching the lawyers all milling around getting a hoot out of the Frank Koretsky clip he created; even more so, he was amazed at the feedback that gave him the impression that Koretsky and the industry-at-large is treading on very thin ice.

“You watch these guys who have contingeny plans and back up plans for another contingency.” Basically Black was talking about a real firm and not a “boutique” run out of a bedroom overlooking a barbecue pit.

Black said this firm is like all those class action firms that go after industry power houses for negligence.

“Only in our industry can you justify wrong doing,” said Black. “These lawyers are getting more and more disgusted listening to the industry horror stories.”

“How the fuck can somebody do that they’re asking.”

Black then addressed the fact that another girl in the industry, either Friday or over the weekend will be talking about the lawsuit she plans to file.

“I’m a matchmaker,” Black laughed. “I provide lawyer companionship to citizens who need lawyerly companionship. This girl I know for a fact reached out to Katie Summers Wednesday night.

“She told Katie, ‘I didn’t know either about Stagliano. I was with LA Direct and the only thing Derek told me, was, it was solo anal. I was never told he was HIV psotive. Stagliano never told me.’

“’Do you want the lawyer’s number? ‘Yup.’ She said to Katie, ‘I just never knew how to go about doing something like this – you get XYZ, I get XYZ. I quit the business and people have shit on me. Fuck, yeah, I’m in.’

“I surmise Stagliano’s second lawsuit will be heading to him next week,” said Black.

“Hey, Tricia, John T. Bone contract girl, you guys will be getting another lawsuit. The question is will the DA get involved?

“Any of these girls who had agents that never informed them that Stagliano was HIV positive- as a bonded licensed agent – I don’t know, but I thought those pimp, er agency licenses, I didn’t know that allowed you to cross state lines.

“I think in the paperwork it states you’re not allowed to send talent to unsafe working conditions. I’m not a lawyer, but Derek Hay, I know you got the soccer mom lawyer. Say to her, ‘Listen my dear, there are a lot of girls I sent to John Stagliano. I know I can get a couple to lie that they knew about Stagliano, but I don’t know if I can get all of them to lie. Is this going to be a problem?’

“I got to figure this soccer mom lawyer will say this won’t be a problem because Stagliano has super blood and is undetectable for HIV.”

Black said, typical of the business, no one will take action unless somewhat contracted HIV again. And even then that’s doubtful. [That’s me saying that.]

“Can anyone justify Stagliano putting his bare penis in this girl Monica Santhaigo? [pictured]” Black asked.

“If this doesn’t show you some serious, serious, serious deception. This isn’t from ten years ago. This is from Buttman’s Stretch Chass #1 [shot in 2008.

“I never knew Allie Haze and Alexis Texas were in the same movie as Summers,” Black continued.

“Were you two women told by Stagliano that he was HIV positive and were you fine working with him? Chris, you are a badass and like to beat people up – I would think you would want to defend your wife [Haze]. And if your wife was told, why did John Stagliano not tell Katie Summers?

“If John Stagliano told Allie Haze he was HIV positive, then she agreed to work with an HIV performer, and my question would be why did she think it would be alright to break protocol and not tell others she worked with an HIV performer?

“Mr. Pete [who’s married to Alexis Texas], I know you knew Stagliano is HIV positive, so my question regarding Alexis Texas is why did you let her work with him?”

Black then addressed the photo of Stagliano inserting his unsheathed penis between Santhiago’s cheeks.

“Karen Stagliano, would this qualify as sexual contact? He didn’t do that with Katie Summers. So you’re saying for an American girl people would be outraged, but it’s alright for a Brazilian girl who can’t defend herself.

“Tom Byron who shot her said it’s a nightmare to shoot her because she doesn’t speak English. I guess this would explain how Stagliano works.

“This is going to get laughed out, right? Agents sending girls? A giant dragnet is coming. If we can get a Spiegler girl, we can get the Trifecta of scumbags – the axis of evil. I’m sure somebody’s going to pop their head up because the girl who talked to Katie said another girl found out weeks later after working with Stagliano that he was HIV, and she was pissed. So I suspect there will be three lawsuits.

“Now I love Allie Haze, and I’m infatuated with her,” Black explained.

“Allie Haze was not with LA Direct right away. She didn’t emerge into the inner circle right away. There was a time when she wasn’t with an agent. So I got to think Allie Haze wasn’t with an agent at that time, but I got to think somebody brought her to Stagliano and he didn’t tell her his status.

“This scene is pretty heavy and as hillbillyish as her and her boyfriend are, I can’t imagine a guy who would let his wife or girlfriend work under those conditions.”

Black painted a picture of how Haze’s boyfriend Chris just randomly punches people in the face for little to no reason. “But you’d let Allie go do that?”

“You and Allie sat down and said, ‘Hey baby, let’s put ourselves at risk because I loves money, baby. Who gives a shit? You get your sweet ass in there and make money for papa.’

“But I don’t believe Chris would do that. I don’t believe a dude who beat up the OC Modeling guy, that he sat in a chair and him and Allie Haze sat there and said do it.

“But if you did that, why? You’d put your wife at risk? You guys were doing New Sensations movies. I think I jerked off to Allie Haze a thousand times. If you contracted HIV and don’t have the millions John Stagliano has to get on meds, you’re going to eventually die of full blown AIDS.

“And now you see John Stagliano taking his bare penis out and rubbing it in a girl. You’re telling me there’s no risk with him handling speculums and dildos?

“All of you people are assuming that if Stagliano drew blood or had an accident on set he would stop proceedings and inform his talent of his condition.

“But he didn’t. Here [in Stretch Class 1] he’s brazen and took his bare penis out and put it in the buttocks of a non-English speaking woman.”

“Chanel Preston I have to ask – did he tell you he was HIV positive, or did you actually know? And that’s a Spiegler girl.

“People seem to think the scene with Katie Summers was innocent touching, but in Stretch Class 1 he’s sticking out his penis and putting it into a girl’s bare buttocks.”

Black said he twittered the photo to members of the adult press and got little or no response.

“Why are you AVN guys not talking about this? AVN, you said you combed through the footage and didn’t see anything that was sexual contact. Take a look at what is happening. All you Stagliano supporters who want to bring up Katie Summers’ scenes, I guess they’ll have to examine all of Stagliano’s scenes.

“This is some serious shit, man. And you people need to wake up and realize this is only the beginning. The next girl will come up, and I will challenge Allie Haze.

“I want to know if John Stagliano told you he was HIV positive. I want someone to ask Chris her husband. He should have the right to know if the guy she’s working with is HIV positive. It’s perplexing what you people are harping on. And every day I’ll whip out more shit like Stagliano keeps whipping out his cock.

“I want to be a fly on the wall at Evil Angel,” Black concluded.

“I wish I could fucking be there, man. As Karen Stagliano so eloquently defended John that Katie’s this and that, here’s my question, ‘Hey Karen, Trishie, do you know your old man takes his bare cock out and puts it in chick’s asses?’

“Is that fucking cool? Does this qualify as sexual contact? It’s fucking staggering. This is a pattern

BT, those are CRIMINAL statutes you are citing. This is a civil case on several different grounds, emothional distress etc. A civil case is often bolstered and made easier with a criminal prosecution, as is the case with Marcus, but it is by no means necessary.

Here is what I think Stags lawyer will hang his hat on. First, he should tell Karen to STFU, and stop admitting that she was not informed, and that they thought the agent informed her. Then they will offer to settle, as there is no way they want to be put on the stand and tell a jury how they never informed this girl that he has HIV. A pornographer hiding his HIV from this girl who had only been in the business less than two weeks is not going to bet any sympathy from a jury, NONE.